Hello, my name is John — Thank you for visiting my blog.
“A large segment of the population continues to be fascinated by the Wonderland murders. It’s not only an unsolved mystery, it’s a quintessential L.A. story of the 80s: drugs, sex, excess, night clubs, gangsters, and porn stars” –Rodger Jacobs
Wonderland1981 is about Strange and Bizarre History and encompasses just about any subject. Because of urban legends and disinformation out on the web, I started this blog in order to document all that I could find on the Wonderland Murder saga which occurred in 1981 (yeah, the movie was good too). It has grown from there to include various articles and stories from the annals of history. I always list my sources and I give credit where credit is due.
If you are only seeking stuff about Wonderland, start here:
https://wonderland1981.wordpress.com/category/wonderland-murders-2/
You won’t be disappointed!
My background:
I am a laid off NASA web content specialist, knowledge management and data mining person. Don’t get laid off, it sucks. I am also a researcher, amateur screenwriter, history buff and classic rock music connoisseur. I can find information on the web because I know how to search for it. Most people do not and give up. So please let me know if you need help on a project. Once a story grips me, I end up doing endless research to find what I can and document it. I have penned two screenplays, a graphic novel but the industry is so diluted right now with artists, writers and agents that I cannot for the life of me find any agency to help me or even review my stuff. C’est La Vie, I guess. That is another reason I started this blog, as an outlet to share my knack for writing, researching, and to showcase my interests and stories. Some of the posts are written by yours truly (see the Liberia file, under “African Studies” in the Topics section.
The truth is stranger than fiction. The truth will set you free.
Again… thanks for checking out my blog!
John
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nancy 10:21 pm on July 13, 2012 Permalink |
Hello! Where did you get the military records? I had ordered them via the FOIA years ago and posted them to the IMDB message board.
Jay W 8:37 am on July 17, 2012 Permalink |
I did a search, and a guy had them posted on either Flickr or Photobucket, as .jpg files. I don’t think that I credited him, because he never responded to my inquiry, and I’m only using them for educational purposes.
Thanks for your question.
John
Jill Nelson 1:29 pm on September 13, 2012 Permalink |
Hi John,
Interesting and insightful site. I’m just curious, I noticed there is no mention of our biography, John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches on your site. Jennifer and I interviewed two of the former LAPD homicide detectives, Tom Lange and Frank Tomlinson, at length for our book (and logged in hours of research on the crime) which includes an extensive section on the Nash robbery, the Wonderland murders, and Holmes’ murder trial. Thought you might be interested in case you haven’t already read it.
Have a great day.
Sincerely,
Jill
John 9:57 am on September 14, 2012 Permalink |
Thanks for the feedback, Jill. I will order it from Amazon today. I was always curious about your book, but was not sure of the content… the robbery and murders interested me the most, so I did not want to get 14 chapters on just Holmes. I tire of that man, LOL! Thanks!
Yes, my blog at first became a collection area for all things Wonderland related. I wish I had organized the Wonderland stuff better.
Jill Nelson 11:01 am on September 14, 2012 Permalink |
John Holmes notwithstanding, the second edition of the book is 600 pages and well over 100 pages (and three chapters) are devoted to the crimes and subsequent trial. A portion of the information we compiled in the book is new to the public and to those interested in the case. Former LAPD homicide detective Frank Tomlinson agreed to speak with us only after we assured him that his quotes and interview would not be taken out of context as he was very disheartened by how the E! True Hollywood Story piece on the murders misrepresented him and his words. Tom Lange agreed to speak with us (in part) when his book Four on the Floor did not reach fruition. He too wanted to set the record straight as he believed his version of the events had been misinterpreted in the Wonderland movie. We prided ourselves on our extensive work and background research on this case. The book should help shed more light on the entirety of the events surrounding the crimes. 🙂
Sincerely,
Jill
gayle 9:23 pm on December 7, 2015 Permalink |
Hi Jill,
I’m not much of a fan of John Holmes, although he is an interesting character, but I’ve always been fascinated by the Wonderland murders ever since it happened in 1981. I’ve had an eye your book, but have not read it yet. Glad to see that a large portion of your book is on the case. I plan on ordering and reading it very soon! The paper version, I still LOVE real books. I have not transitioned to using Kindle yet 🙂 –Gayle
Jill Nelson 9:58 am on December 8, 2015 Permalink
Hi Gayle,
Thank you for your comments. I’d be interested to know your thoughts once you have an opportunity to read the book. Are you in the L.A. area? There is a lot of rich history there for those interested in cases of this nature.
I have been a true crime buff since my teen years and continue to read books and watch programs that center on unsolved (and solved) crimes, such as Dateline, 48 Hours, and particularly (I make no apologies for this one) Forensic Files. I love fiction, but also enjoy non-fiction books, including biographies. At the time of the Wonderland murders in 1981, my husband and I were moving to Sydney, Nova Scotia and I recall the news reports about the homicides (all the way up to Canada! ;)) on the car radio. John Holmes was familiar to me, but I was not acquainted with his films other than the fact that I knew what ‘kind’ of movies he made. Fast forward to 2005. One evening, my hubby and I rented WONDERLAND and later watched “WADD,”paired with the WONDERLAND movie. Hence, the eventual collaboration on the book — which, for me, was the unification of the best of both worlds: the opportunity to research and recreate a story about one of the most fascinating murders cases in southern California history, and also, to co-write the first biography about an iconic (and much maligned) individual in his field. It was a challenge I did not want to pass up. I have to say, one of the highlights of the interview process for me was the day that Jennifer and I sat down to meet and have lunch with Frank Tomlinson and his lovely wife, Diana, in Los Angeles. It was July, 2007 on a steamy hot day.
Jennifer had brought along her mini-cassette recorder and set it on the table next to Frank. Before he pushed the ‘record’ button, Frank asked us not to interrupt while he spoke about the case and we agreed. Forty-five minutes later, he pushed the ‘stop’ button. As you can imagine, we were both riveted to every single word.
Back at our hotel, eager to play the interview back, Jennifer pulled the recorder out of her bag and pushed ‘play.’ Sadly, the only thing we heard was the sound of the tape being chewed. It was extremely disappointing to say the least. Undeterred by this minor glitch, Jennifer, being the smart head she is, had an idea. We walked across the street to a dollar store and purchased a small pair of scissors, a tiny, jeweler-sized screwdriver and scotch tape. Approximately 90 minutes later, she and and I sat together in our room, listening to Frank Tomlinson talk about his role in the Wonderland investigation. Believe me, it was surreal.
Like you, although I admit I do own a kindle e-reader, I much prefer the paper version. I believe there is a deeper connection to a story when you hold and feel something tangible in your hands. 🙂
Jill Nelson 10:02 am on December 8, 2015 Permalink
Hi Gayle,
Thank you for your comments. I’d be interested to know your thoughts once you have an opportunity to read the book. Are you in the L.A. area? There is a lot of rich history there for those interested in cases of this nature.
I have been a true crime buff since my teen years and continue to read books and watch programs that center on unsolved (and solved) crimes, such as Dateline, 48 Hours, and particularly (I make no apologies for this one) Forensic Files. I love fiction, but also enjoy non-fiction books, including biographies. At the time of the Wonderland murders in 1981, my husband and I were moving to Sydney, Nova Scotia and I recall the news reports about the homicides (all the way up to Canada! ;)) on the car radio. John Holmes was familiar to me, but I was not acquainted with his films other than the fact that I knew what ‘kind’ of movies he made. Fast forward to 2005. One evening, my hubby and I rented WONDERLAND and later watched “WADD,”paired with the WONDERLAND movie. Hence, the eventual collaboration on the book — which, for me, was the unification of the best of both worlds: the opportunity to research and recreate a story about one of the most fascinating murders cases in southern California history, and also, to co-write the first biography about an iconic (and much maligned) individual in his field. It was a challenge I did not want to pass up. I have to say, one of the highlights of the interview process for me was the day that Jennifer and I sat down to meet and have lunch with Frank Tomlinson and his lovely wife, Diana, in Los Angeles. It was July, 2007 on a steamy hot day.
Jennifer had brought along her mini-cassette recorder and set it on the table next to Frank. Before he pushed the ‘record’ button, Frank asked us not to interrupt while he spoke about the case and we agreed. Forty-five minutes later, he pushed the ‘stop’ button. As you can imagine, we were both riveted to every single word.
Back at our hotel, eager to play the interview back, Jennifer pulled the recorder out of her bag and pushed ‘play.’ Sadly, the only thing we heard was the sound of the tape being chewed. It was extremely disappointing to say the least. Undeterred by this minor glitch, Jennifer, being the smart head she is, had an idea. We walked across the street to a dollar store and purchased a small pair of scissors, a tiny, jeweler-sized screwdriver and scotch tape. Approximately 90 minutes later, she and and I sat together in our room, listening to Frank Tomlinson talk about his role in the Wonderland investigation. Believe me, it was surreal.
Like you, although I admit I do own a kindle e-reader, I much prefer the paper version. I believe there is a deeper connection to a story when you hold and feel something tangible in your hands. 🙂
P.S. I apolgize if this posted twice.
gayle 10:03 pm on December 15, 2015 Permalink
Hi Jill,
Sorry, I just saw your reply. Sure, I would love to share my thoughts on your book after I read it. It may take a while, there are so many books on my list to read, but I think I will read yours next. I just started ‘Sea of Greed’ about Noriega and the drug trafficking bust in the 1980’s. My friend is writing a book on a key player from that whole marijuana smuggling era so she’s got me reading this book. I loved your story about the mini cassette player, great save on the tape. I can just imagine how you felt when you thought it was destroyed. I once shot a roll of film (I use to be into photography), it was one of the most important rolls of film I ever took. I opened the back of my camera and exposed it to light and destroyed all the photos, my heart sank and I’m still not over it. Once I lost all the photos on my phone, I still don’t know how I managed to do that!
Yes, I live in the Los Angeles area, born and raised. I’ve lived in other states, but always returned. I keep thinking I want to leave the city, but I do enjoy living here. I love music and entertainment, the ocean and true crime and there is an abundance of it here, like you said, so much rich history. And you can’t beat the weather!
Like you, I’ve been a huge true crime fan since my teens. Some key events that lead to this were…my best friends father was a reporter and city editor for the Los Angeles Times and occasionally covered crime. In junior high she would give me articles to read and show me photos. Then I started to read Helter Skelter. Later she gave me this book called ‘Bad Blood’, about a teen couple who murdered her parents in 1975 in Marin County, California. There was something about the story that really grabbed my attention and I became more and more interested in crime related topics. In high school a friend drove me to the Cielo house, I already had a fascination for the Manson murders, back then you could drive up to the house if the gate was open. Times were different, not only was the house still there, it wasn’t trendy to be into the Manson family, like it is now. You were able to do more and get up close. We always liked driving around and looking for crime sites. I use to keep a list of places and addresses that I would find, it was a lot harder back then without the internet, I had to go to the library to search, imagine that. I STILL look for and drive to crime sites!! I also watch all the crime shows, movies and biographies, ID channel, Reelz channel, Forensic Files etc. and always look for stuff on YouTube and Netflix.
The Wonderland murders is one of my favorites because I was already familiar with some of the people and places. It hit close to home. I partied in Laurel Canyon and hung out in Hollywood in the late 70’s, early 80’s and frequented the Starwood, Odyssey and Seven Seas. Surprisingly these clubs would let any age in and we figured out how to get in for free so we went often. The Starwood was the BEST. We use to see Nash hanging out, I thought he was a gross pervert! I never met him, now I wish I had, I knew people that did ‘business’ with him. I was sucked into the whole murder saga for a few years and watched and followed if anything related came up in the news, then I kinda forgot about it until I was introduced to John’s blog and I read ‘Road through Wonderland’. It reopened my interest. I now live in North Hollywood which is adjacent to Studio City so I am always driving down Laurel Canyon and by the various places and areas related to the story.
I am looking forward to reading your book. Your Golden Goddesses book looks interesting. I read Linda Lovelace’s book, it was gut wrenching,
What is your e-mail address? I will e-mail you so I won’t take up so much space on the blog!!
Gayle
Eric B. 9:38 pm on March 21, 2013 Permalink |
Hi John. I was browsing for more history, specifically Gregory Diles, when I found this entry, that it looks like someone had copied from an eBook:
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/peejay/kingdong1.html
The writing style seems like it’s the same style of “the Real Hollywood” by Legs McNeil, with quotes throughout the book. There’s a little more info there and thought this might be helpful.
John 7:58 am on March 22, 2013 Permalink |
Great stuff, thanks.
Eric B. 10:12 pm on June 20, 2013 Permalink |
I’ve started a new job and have only checked the new posts via email while on my break, but have just now read the replies to all the posts! There’s so much dedication and information here.
Have you considered trying to get in touch with Tom Lange for his thoughts on the history, possibly collaborating on something? What about the director and staff of Wonderland? Although there were deleted scenes on the DVD, those probably were not all the deleted scenes, I’m guessing. What about trying to get in touch with Josh Lucas, Val Kilmer, or Dylan McDermott for their thought and input on the movie and how they got into the part? I remember seeing autopsy photos in the movie (during the last big scene) that I haven’t been able to find anywhere else. I think the people involved in the photography might be good resources as to find these and other photos not used.
John 10:11 am on June 26, 2013 Permalink |
I too, and looking for a new job! I would love to get more into these key players and find out what they know, and you made some great points, Eric. It’s now been 10 years since the movie came out and as time goes by, the witnesses start dying off too. I would love to get more photos and stuff, if only I lived in L.A. but… I live in Texas. I have thought about all of the things you mentioned, but don’t know how or where to start. A lot of the work I do on the blog is from my boring dead end job 😉 At home, I hardly ever turn on my computer…. I need a tech break when I am at the casa.
Chandler's Ghost 7:50 pm on July 10, 2013 Permalink |
Hey John,
I was going to start writing about Wonderland on my blog, and then I stumbled upon your site. It’s great reading. Have you ever looked into the strange goings on at the Cecil Hotel downtown?
John 8:50 am on July 11, 2013 Permalink |
No, but I’ll check it out today! Thanks.
kdimmick 6:59 pm on October 26, 2013 Permalink |
Are you refering to the girl that they found dead and decomposing in the hotel water tank on the roof not too long ago?
Chandler's Ghost 7:47 pm on October 26, 2013 Permalink
Yes, but the place was rather notorious before that event. Serial killers, suicides, really bad Yelp reviews, etc.
kdimmick 8:25 pm on October 26, 2013 Permalink |
LOL! yes, I know what you mean about it’s notoriety. Back in the early 80’s when I went to Los Angeles regularly on the weekends the Los Angeles greyhound bus station was one block behind the hotel right in what used to be skid row at that time. We would arrive at the bus station via greyhound then usually take a city bus or a cab to Hollywood from there. If you have ever been to a Greyhound bus station in ANY big city you know that they tend to attract all the nuts and kooks in the surrounding area and the one in downtown LA at that time was worse than most.
I actually stayed a night at the Cecil Hotel back in 1980. Me and another guy from 29 Palms Marine Corps base met on the bus on our way to Camp Pendelton and on our trip we got to LA fairly late in the evening so since we did not have to be at our destination till the next day we walked over to the Cecil and checked in. Interesingly enough I do not recall anything out of the ordinary taking place though….LOL!
kdimmick 8:32 pm on October 26, 2013 Permalink |
One more thing about the area around the bus station and the SRO hotels in the downtown area……Do you remembe rthe scene in the movie WONDERLAND where dawn is sitting there on that bus bench crying with . the low lifes all around her on the street and Carrie Fisher picks her up in that van? THAT was what it was like in downtown Los Angeles back in the early 80’s…
jim 11:33 pm on November 9, 2013 Permalink |
I read david lind was a member of the Aryan brotherhood if so why is nash still alive those guys do not fool around those guys do hits for the mob and also in addition to his girl friend being murdered he would have been murdered also.
John 12:06 pm on November 10, 2013 Permalink |
Yes, Jim, I don’t think Lind was that into the Aryan thing. I am sure he only was an associate, etc.
localarts 11:48 am on November 11, 2013 Permalink |
Remember, you’re not just talking about some run of the mill Joe. After what happened with the home invasion robbery Nash was more than on guard from then on. Police showed up at Nash’s to arrest him and were met with a shootout (Nash thought it was another home invasion) David Lind went into hiding after speaking with police.
Holmes, Schiller & Thorsen all made references to people disappearing in the desert. In the movie, there was talk of Nash owning 40 acres of desert property. That’s where he supposedly buried bodies. This may or may not be accurate. It would seem that the people that knew Eddie Nash the gangster were generally terrified of this man…for a reason! I think if Lind were a full fledge member of the Aryan Brotherhood there would indeed be retaliation, at a price though.
Mark C 10:20 pm on November 16, 2013 Permalink |
John Please send me a e-mail @ n28mc@hotmail.com …. I got question & maybe info that don’t need to be posted.
Sheila 2:24 pm on December 17, 2013 Permalink |
I had just graduated from HS in June of 1981 and being from a small town in NC I never remember hearing about this murder and just recently found it on the web. It has just baffled me ,but yet it is so intriguing like you can’t find enough information on it.
What I don’t understand is was Nash present during the murders, if not who were the three people other than Holmes and Diles?
If they found a palm print belonging to Holmes at the murder scene how in the world was he acquitted?
How did Eddy Nash get to the one juror and buy her off for $50,000.00?
What ever happened to Ms. Lanius? I am almost sure her injuries were so severe she probably has no memory of it. Why was she left alive, if they had of known she wasn’t deceased they may have finished her off too.
I don’t understand the drug scene and its addiction,(and I am so glad and proud of that) but it stands to reason if someone is that fueled up on the drugs, you become euphoric and in essence you are checked out of reality so it dulls your senses.
Such a tragedy and so many lives ruined. They may have been drug addicts but nobody deserves to die in that manner.
John 8:12 am on December 18, 2013 Permalink |
Sheila,
John’s prints were all over the house, since he was a frequent visitor.
Susan Launius recovered and lives nice life, she’s doing well.
Nash probably had one of his goons approach the girl thru her family or whatever to make the bribe. I’m pretty sure they were sequestered due to the notoriety of the trial and defendants.
andrew sanders 9:50 pm on March 4, 2014 Permalink |
I need to talk to john asap
PLESE EMAIL ME ASAP
Michael 6:59 pm on September 9, 2014 Permalink |
Man this site is awesome. I saw the movie about 10yrs ago and never forgot.it. I always meant to watch it again and never got around to it until last week. It’s just so interesting. Just got done reading Dawn’s book and it is truly heartbreaking. John actually did not sound like that bad of a guy off dope. But when on dope he turned into a monster. I just wonder if she is as innocent as she portrays herself to be. She was pretty addicted also. I’ve been in and out of the drug scene since I was 15yrs old and I can relate. The need for dope makes you do terrible things and you get into unbelievable situations because of it. I’ve been clean now for almost five years and reading that book made me so glad I survived that insanity. Anyway best Wonderland blog on the net. I especially like reading comments from some of the people that knew Ronnie, Nash, Diles or the rest of the wonderland gang. Again awesome job and keep the info coming!!!
Gayle 5:47 pm on April 11, 2015 Permalink |
I wonder who opened the door for the Nash crew. I think the movie portrays Mr. Deverell as answering the door. You would think that he would have been found close to the door or in the living room area instead of his bedroom. Was he chased back upstairs? I think the court transcripts state that he was the only victim to have defensive injuries.
Michelle 8:41 am on August 29, 2015 Permalink |
I am so glad I found this blog!
Jeff Horbachuk 7:55 pm on October 16, 2015 Permalink |
To Gayle I think I had the same question if he opened the door he must have ran up those stairs till he was cornered in the bedroom.does anyone what the brown substance was found on the walls.was it black tar heroin or fecal matter.also I have a in the know kind of info.i used to know a former navy seal who later worked LA county Sheriff.He told me before I had ever become interested in the wonderland case, that Holmes was not made to swing a pipe, but was made to put his dick inside the wound in Ron Launius head.that was how his palm print got there.I think the movie implies it at the end when Holmes is getting dirty.Greg Diles says.Oh Damn Johnny is making a movie.And We know the kind of movies John made.Has anyone ever heard this story.it could be BS but thought I would share .sorry about the graphic nature of my post.
Jeff Horbachuk 4:37 pm on November 2, 2015 Permalink |
I sent a message on October 16 just wanting John the moderator to respond regarding the brown substance found at Wonderland.also the idea about John Holmes made to put his dick in Ron Launius wound.I heard this from An LA County sheriff source that was kept from the public but would have only known if they had been inside that house when those murders went down.do u have an idea how they were killed in what order.how did Ron Launius not hear the commotion and be up to look what was happening.
John 4:17 am on November 4, 2015 Permalink |
The house was stormed by five or six, which included Holmes. It was a frenzied attack, but the perps were likely in and out of there.I don’t know about Holmes doing that, besides Launius had no visible wounds. The killers were there to do a job, not fuck around. Billy Deverell had the only defense wound, a broken rib, which probably occurred just after he opened the front door or met them at the top of the staircase.
steven hatcher 1:47 pm on November 7, 2015 Permalink |
ould first like to thank my facebook friends for liking my public group : the sacramento outlaw .. / please don t think that the word : ” outlaw ” is negative … / it is a word i sometimes like to use as my personal term meaning : different , iconoclastic , different from middle class morals … / my intention is not to make a sensationalized exposee on the wonderland gang .. / moreover : with more knowledge on the wonderland gang , john holmes ‘ lies , los angelos police corruption in the early 1980 s , our film project will change as there will be more information that will come to light about real wonderland gang … / i would like to thank kevin deverell , billy deverell s son , for his insightful & loving interview about his father .. / i hope there will be more information & memories the wonderland gang families & friends have the courage to share … / i don t expect the family & friends to share there reminesces on the sacramento outlaw group … / since i started this page yesterday , i have to earn their trust … / however : i would be honored , if the family & friends would text more memories about ronnie , billy and joy on this page in the future .. / maybe they can someday put together a blog , a website , a book , or a film documentary about them and make them more human with blood , bones and tissue … / i think that the press , the l . a. police wanted to show the negative side of the wonderland gang for too many years … / history gets lost when so called writers and friends appropriate history for avarice & selfish reasons .. / the good people keep silent while the bad people don t know what they are fucking talking about : continue to lie and / or over state half truths … / i mainly like to thank the person who had put together his blog : http: //wonderland1981.wordpress.com/ , and his facebook page : the real wonderland story . for a couple of years , this person has been tireless in his research in exposing the real wonderland gang and the wonderland murders … / his courage & sincerity should be admired … / his blog and facebook page has given me the inspiration to do an intelligent & more recent streamlined approach on this subject .. / and lastly , i like to thank the woman who text on the facebook real wonderland story page , that she was the girl that john holmes had picked up in the late 1970 s or early 1980 ; and they drove together to meet the wonderland gang for the first time .. / she also declared john holmes had stold her jewelry .. / if you read more about john holmes , even his friends and loved ones claimed holmes was nothing but a fucking liar & thief .. / she had also shared information that ronnie launius tried to give john holmes many opportunities to make things right with the wonderland gang , but the goofy bastard kept fucking up .. / i believe her .. / what she had said had made sense to me … / i like to thank everybody who believe in me their time and consideration .. /
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Jill Nelson 1:13 pm on December 19, 2015 Permalink |
‘I am looking forward to reading your book. Your Golden Goddesses book looks interesting. I read Linda Lovelace’s book, it was gut wrenching,
What is your e-mail address? I will e-mail you so I won’t take up so much space on the blog!!’
Gayle
Hi Gayle,
I wasn’t able to reply to your reply so I’ve copied your final comments above. It sounds like your foray into true crime, and eventually the Wonderland saga generally parallels mine — except that you had the advantage of experiencing Nash’s clubs personally, which would have been quite the experience I would imagine. That’s really interesting too that your friend’s father had been a reporter for the L.A. Times. Jennifer and I interviewed former author and L.A. Times journalist (now film critic), Kenneth Turan, briefly for our book. (Turan co-authored “Sinema: American pornographic films and the people who make ” in 1974 — a fascinating look at the early hardcore porn industry in Los Angeles and New York).
I have relatives living outside of the Los Angeles area and recall when my friend and I were travelling there in 1976 when I was 18, my cousin taking us out to observe the Spahn ranch locale. Like you, I’d read “Helter Skelter” prior to that journey — it was really kind of spooky having the opportunity to eyeball Manson’s former lair at close range. Needless to say, it left an impression.
I read “Ordeal” a few years ago and thought it was quite a fascinating and tragic story from Lovelace’s point of view. I felt sorry for her. “Golden Goddesses” is quite different in the sense that for the most part, the 25 women featured in the book did not feel victimized or exploited by the industry or those associated. The pornographic industry and how it affects those involved is certainly a complex and paradoxical issue.
My email is: nelson4@cogeco.ca
gayle 9:38 pm on December 20, 2015 Permalink |
I knew someone back in ’80-’81 whose father was a porn film director/producer, he made a few with Holmes, last name was Marshack(sp?). Did you come across him at all? Just curious, I don’t know much…it was just a thought I had remembered. She had met him, I didn’t think much of it at the time.
Wow! I wish I had visited Spahn Ranch when the film props were still around, or any remnants for that matter. I had a co-worker who rode horses there in the 60’s. She said they had a cool horseback riding stable. I visited the site a few years ago, It’s grasslands and hills now.
Jill, I will keep in touch, I will e-mail you later. I put your e-mail into my phone.
Happy Holidays!!
Peace
Gayle
Jill Nelson 9:25 pm on December 23, 2015 Permalink |
I know of Phillip Marshak in name only. He directed a well known film with Holmes in 1979 called Dracula Sucks (aka Lust at First Bite — hardcore version). We reviewed it for the book.
One of the women featured in Golden Goddesses, Rhonda Jo Petty, also rode horses with her friends at Spahn in the late 60s and met Manson on a couple of occasions. She said he walked around with a crow on his shoulder — she was totally freaked out. I wonder if your co-worked might have known Rhonda Jo?
Thank you for the holiday wishes! All the best to you and yours. 🙂
Jill
chris 9:11 pm on October 27, 2016 Permalink |
I worked for Ed- Club Hollywood-Hal Glickman and Mike Hefner- What a great fucked up crew-
John 2:55 pm on October 28, 2016 Permalink |
Chris,
Email me any stories you care to share. I will credit you in the book! wonderland1981blog@gmail.com
Heather 12:25 am on August 11, 2017 Permalink |
Excellent site! Thank you for putting so much time into offering so much information on this crazy case.
I don’t get how the townhouse was being watched due to suspected drug sales yet nothing was seen during this chaos??
Stephen cullity 9:35 pm on May 13, 2018 Permalink |
Hey john. Is there any way 2 contact josh lucas n ask him about those stories he heard from the cop
Stephen cullity 9:39 pm on May 13, 2018 Permalink |
Lind took the stand n testified. The aryan gang would never help him
Jason 8:16 am on August 20, 2018 Permalink |
John,
Just stumbled across your blog & wanted to compliment what I’ve seen so far. Although I’ve heard of the Wonderland Murders, I guess it was as much as I know. Murders 😉 I don’t know the basic foundation at all of what happened. I’m assuming the cop Lang was the same one who was involved in the OJ arrest & prosecution.
Mystery murders are always interesting subjects to me. There are no shortage of them, though. The primary interest is that they are … mysteries. The murder acts are generally the same.
The Kenny Cabin mass murder was one example you might find interesting. The wiki article says, now, that DNA has actually been matched to a suspect as of this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keddie_murders
And did you know that there was a possible link to the Jack the Ripper murders in the USA? Just after the JR murders in London stopped, a series of linked slasher type murders was tracked across the USA. And the suspect had come by ship from Europe. But then, there is a new book out on JR and the author points out that the London police never arrested JR but the head of the investigation claimed that they did know who was responsible… without giving a name. But later, the close friend of the man in charge was found to have made hand written notes upon documents where a name was mentioned and that the man had been arrested for being incoherent and hearing voices… locked away in an insane asylum … where he died years later. The logs of the day mention that suspect by name… as do the asylum records.
Too many cases to read about, really.
donjuan951 11:57 am on June 3, 2020 Permalink |
Hi John I live close to Wonderland Ave and go up there a lot. Just pass through mostly as the chills set in when I look up at the house. I tell you one thing though…if your there at night you can just envision those tragic events that took place. That’s about as much as I can take and I get my ass out of there. It takes me a good cold beer to get back to reality from that point. It dosent stop me from going back at a later date hahaha!