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  • John 8:19 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Other Two Assailants At Wonderland 

    At this web site by CJ, which looks long abandoned… there is a Wonderland movie review, a bit of a back-story and some other info gleaned from a few interviews that he did. He is a DJ or something in L.A., I could not find much info about “CJ”. Please post in the comments if you know. Localarts was the first to tell me about “Danny”… obviously a brother of Greg Diles. If Nash called in mob help, then maybe Danny, Joe McLean and another goon helped out that night. There would have been no remorse in a payback hit like this. It would have been and was…brutal. Mob guys are known to saw up their old friends into little pieces…so.

    Read on…

    Bill Margold Phone Interview – 04/25/2005

    I called the 11 year-old number I had in my BladeRunner Organizer and lo ‘n behold it didn’t work worth a damn. So I splurged a whole 2 minutes and typed his name into Google, clicked his site and sent him email, reminding him of our glorious day in 1994 with Danyl Cheeks. He called me immediately and we chatted for a while. He didn’t remember me, but it didn’t matter. We had a lot to talk about.

    “The problem with Eddie Nash is the son-of-a-bitch won’t die!” he told me in his raspy Jewish voice. “Ok, what concerns me are the ‘unidentified others’ who participated in the murders. There were two others besides Diles and Holmes. Know who they were?”

    “A guy named ‘Danny’ and…hey you’re right.” I admitted, overlooking the obvious. “How did I overlook those two loose ends?”

    “Easy. They were never identified. They were brought in by the mob.” Margold said.

    I loved all of the Starwood stories posted in the comments section. Keep 'em coming!

    I loved all of the Starwood stories posted in the comments section. Keep ’em coming!

    Further Reading:  

    CJ’s Insane Asylum – Finding Wonderland

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 8:47 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I guess it still blows my mind that Nash was acquitted AND he’s still alive.

    • krislyn 9:07 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      You know what they say. Evil never dies lol.

      • localarts 10:15 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        LOL. Eddie may never die. Ed’s power was far reaching at that time but once the feds got involved it was pretty much over.

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:57 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Lol, there will be cockroaches, twinkies, my grandmother, and Eddie.

    • krislyn 2:02 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      who is Danny? i know greg and samuel but is danny a alias for samuel? i must have skipped something.

      the name is familiar because in the movie ward asks holmes in the hotel room “did u see danny or greg in the car” and holes replied ” i didnt see greg i didnt see eddie when i left. ” i didnt know who he was referencing i assumed danny was the alias for samuel. so hes a real guy?

      • John 2:22 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I know! Danny was mentioned. I can only assume it was straight from the poluce file or Samuel went by Danny. Samuel died in 2002.

    • krislyn 2:43 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      also the guy in the beginning david lind talks about walking into the house. cherokee sent me walking. …. then later everyone wanted to know who tje “throw betamax ” guy was . in the movie before the robbery at nash billy tells mccourt honk twice if u see anyine he says got it boss or whatever. in the wonderland script i posted all three of these characters were named cherokee. maybe cherokee wasnt a real person just a character filling in different blanks of people in the movie???? and so tracy gets no credits rights cause of that?

      • John 3:07 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I wish they had consulted with Tracy McCourt for the movie in addition to Dawn and Sharon. I think he could have helped with character development on the gang. That was the big gripe by critics per se “a lot of empty people who are dead”. Also, the film would hace been better without Val Kilmer. That guy Cumberbatch would have been better LOL

      • localarts 5:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        There was another guy that used to frequent 8763, his name was Mike. Tracy McCourt makes references to this in his testimony. As a matter of fact “Mike” was one of the few people allowed in after the robbery and that’s only because Ronnie new the guy quite well. Mike could be “Cherokee” but I’ve always thought it was Tracy McCourt.

    • krislyn 2:44 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      just a thought

    • krislyn 4:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think Val did a goodjob. he did good as Jim M as well. the funny thing i read that Val kept a diary of his wpnderland experience even things he obtained through his research it is noted he never showed it publicly. i sent a fb message asking to see it or if it exists lol yet no replies

    • dreamweaverjenn 4:56 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I read somewhere he turned it into some kind of exhibit? Not sure. I thought Val did ok as Holmes but was awesome as Jim Morrison. I have to google “Cumberbatch”. I’m a little slow on the uptake sometimes, lol.

    • Bonnie Brae 5:19 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      check out the first 15 minutes – it’s just so gripping!

      • John 8:26 am on May 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Awesome! I love the narrator!

      • scabiesoftherat 11:13 pm on May 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The criminals in that case were certifiable morons. But the neighbors were even more stupid than the criminals. Think about it. When you go to commit murder, you want to be clandestine,…so what does he do? He fires a gun in a residetial neighborhood, outside, to kill his first victim. He fires four times in the driveway with a 9 shot .22 pistol. He just dumped half his ammo load when he didn’t even know how many people were even up at the house….and they took no spare bullets because they were gonna cut them up. They missed the guesthouse houseguest all together….who happened to be about 50 yards away from the killing, in a completely lit house playin’ music with the volume controls being set between 4 and 5 on a Simon And Garfunkel album. That’s how stupid the criminals are. The neighbors raise the stakes in the stupid realm. The neighbors were going to bed at midnight,. This is the house closest to the Tate house. As the wife gets into bed, she hears gunshots coming from nextdoor. When questioned by the police she tells the she “heard gunshots coming from next door….but I didn’t hear anything further,…so I went to sleep” If she was a normal person and not a pod, she woulda done what any normal thinking person woulda done. She woulda called the police and, since Benedict Canyon is a high tax bracket, they would have been there in say, four minutes. The killers say the murders took 40 minutes. He shot the gun as they entered the premisis. Phone call, four to six minutes till police arrive. They walk them off in handcuffs. All because some neighbor didn’t hear anything further after hearing gunshots. Not hearing anything after gunshots usually denotes that the bullet hit it’s target. It’s what you would really expect to hear at midnight when a gun is fired.

        Starlets in the ninth month of pregnancy do have that jones to go out and randomly fire guns at midnight in their driveway, don’t they?

        Geez.

        Great post, Bonnie. The artistic flavor that curt gentry gives the first half of the book is right up there with Capote’s, “In Cold Blood”. Match for match. His prose hold their own. I was kinda sad to see him go when Bugliosi introduced himself. Gentry shoulda written the entire book with Bugliosi simply contributing. Then you WOULD have had a contender for In Cold Blood,…and, dare I say, even better

        Robert Foxworthy was the narrator. Boyfriend of the late Elizabeth Montgomery (of Bewitched fame, of course),….but also the lead in the movie, “The legend of Lizzie Borden.” (1975 made for tv movie)

        I had stayed in that house. It’s now a bed and breakfast. I slept in Lizzie’s room one night and then in the guestroom where the stepmother got it. In that room was the dress that Elizabeth Montgomery wore for her trial in the movie. Too cool, man. I watched the movie on my ipod while in the dark in the murder room.

        One of those moments that gives you “cause to pause”…..and when the nervous energy makes you stuff ho-ho’s into your pie hole at an alarming rate. LOL

        • Bonnie Brae 8:49 am on May 25, 2013 Permalink

          I Love Robert Foxworth. After listening to this which my friend got from the public library in cassette form and let me borrow. I wanted to find out everything I could about him but then got lazy. Anyway – RF does such a great job narrating. He really pulls you in. That is awesome that you stayed in the Lizzie Borden house. I have always wanted to go there. But since MA is nowhere near me and I will probably never get there, I am going to settle for going on Scott Michaels Helter Skelter tour this summer. 44th year anniversary.

          I too found it mind boggling that the neighbors could hear screams then gun shots then go to sleep. Little did they know Manson had ordered them to do the thing to the entire neighborhood.

          Also, the police received one call that reported a woman screaming and the second that reported hearing gun shots. Someone commented “I hope we don’t have a murder on our hands”. Times have changed and I like to think that the police have learned from their mistake. But what a big mistake to have to live with. Not investigating those reports.

    • krislyn 7:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      the manson murders were just crazy. manson practically gre up in confinement jail was nothing to him. i think some people how a brainwashing power and even so still no excuse to kill. this was a solved case and these people admit they were brainwashed and said they deserve to b in jail.

    • krislyn 7:09 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah i watched the movie in subtitles..each of those characters is named”cherokee” prob a character created to be various people

    • krislyn 7:14 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      someone said Rons corpse is in the opening credits . . . what part?

    • krislyn 7:18 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      how do i post a pic i took from my camera?

    • krislyn 4:18 pm on May 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Is anyone into the club kids murder? michael alig and the club kids. this was early 80s to early 90s . it was tje birth of club kids who are ravers. in nyc it was a big movement. michael alig should b getting out of jail soon for the murder of his friend anddrug dealer angel melendez. if u havent the way this murder went down is just gruesom. i vosited michaels apt building in nyc. peter gatien was a big target in his nightclubs least he wasnt like eddie. reading news papers clips books by james st james is just radical. seth green did amazing in party monster. if u watch the Shockumentary its great even james does the commentary. interesting time in NYC. look into it if u havent

      • John 9:43 am on May 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sounds interesting, I will google it.

      • Darcy 2:48 pm on July 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The book by james st. James is excellent as well lived in nyc during that era wasn’t a club kid, more of a stoner lol

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:43 pm on July 9, 2013 Permalink

          I tried to watch the movie but I just couldn’t get into it. Maybe I was interrupted too many times. lol

    • dreamweaverjenn 7:47 pm on May 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I will do that. Sounds interesting. Thanks!

    • krislyn 12:35 pm on May 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      some people are into it some arent because of the “lifestyle” but it did alot in that era . it was the begiining of raids. theres lots of books interviews michael musto is a great source. looms like another film is creating now thatmichaels out 2014 .i have alot of randomness ive interviewd w a few members of the club kids. u can you tube reallife parties. it was just crazy. i got lots of research data on that if u get into it and want to see more

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  • John 8:24 am on May 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Pornstar Dead At 43 

    This article was published right after John died of AIDS. Holmes’ fellow porn actor, manager and producer friend, Bill Margold, has some ridiculous things to say about John’s illness and lifestyle.

    After being released from jail in November of 1982, John got right back into porn and he also did some gay porn. Johnny Wadd needed the money for his hobbies. One of the gay pornstars that he first worked with was Joey Yale. Yale died of AIDS a few years later on April 18, 1986. He had full blown AIDS, so needless to say, he was probably carrying the virus back in 1983 when he and Holmes starred in The Private Pleasures of John C. Holmes, aka John Holmes Goes Gay. It is not a shock that most of the other actors who appeared in that film are also dead, likely from AIDS.

    Certainly, John was into drugs. He freebased cocaine and snorted it. He also liked to smoke pot, drink Scotch, and yes, he spent about a year in county jail. You cannot contract AIDS from those things. That’s why Margold’s comments make no sense at all. He was talking out of his ass and was obviously distracting the argument away from AIDS and the porn industry, especially since Joey Yale, Holmes’ costar, had died two years earlier from the disease.

    Nice try, Margold. Shakedown, breakdown.. yer busteddd!

    The Union Democrat. March 14, 1988.

    The Union Democrat. March 14, 1988.

     
    • Mike Morrison 10:58 pm on August 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      My brother got fucked in the ass by Joey Yale in a porn loop made in the early 70s. I think it was called “The Big One’s Here”. Since my brother is still alive, I guess Yale didn’t have AIDS at that time. Anyway every now and then at family events we’ll queue up the Bell and Howell projector and view the loop. We have always been very proud of my brother. He also acted in a number of other films in the early 70s, like “Men of Big Sur”, “Come of Age”, and “Erotikus”.

      • John 11:10 am on August 26, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for that info, Mike. Post here anytime!! That’s a classic story you told.

      • Mike Crawford 4:22 pm on July 14, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        fuckin creepy

    • Paul 3:54 pm on November 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You watch your brother have sex?? That’s disgusting and not normal.

    • Karen 4:08 am on November 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Iol I don’t think he actually sat and watched his own brother he just have common knowledge he knows both guys did gay porn

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