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  • John 3:07 pm on February 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Classic Quotes From Tracy McCourt’s Testimony 

    Well, when I walked in the house, you know, after I had been there a little while, John was rattling off about “long time money and lots of cocaine,” you know.

    So McCourt and the guys(?) would go with John and case the place…wait in the car like Dawn for hours.

    Well, we planned it. We made a couple of dry runs. We had to call it off a couple of times. One time everybody was going to forget it and me and Billy were going to do it and John kept going in the house and doing so much cocaine he wouldn’t come out for 45 minutes, three or four hours later, sometimes.

    We stopped and he told us to get him. He went like this (shaking his fist out the window): “Get him!” So we went to the house and did, you know.

    Tucking guns away when they came out of Nash’s. What a sight!

    Well, they were carrying a shower curtain with something in it and a briefcase and everybody was tucking guns in their pants ad what have you.

    And then Holmes’ attorney Earl Hanson chimes in and Tracy confuses him with his answers:

    Q: Mr. McCourt, prior to the time that this robbery took place in the home of Mr. Nash had you been living, sir, at the Wonderland address?
    A: Not on a regular basis. No. I just had been staying there about five days and when that happened, no, I wasn’t living there.

    Q: But you had been staying there? Is that correct?
    A: Yes. But not living there. No. I had no clothes there. I had no personal items there. No, I was not living there.

    Q: I understand that but what I am asking you is: Were you spending your nights there?
    A: Well, I spent three nights there. If that is spending my nights there, yes, I spent three nights there in the house.

    Q: By that –
    A: No, I wasn’t living there.

    Q: I understand that.
    A: Uh-huh.

    Q: But you had gone there and you had spent at least three nights there? Is that correct?
    A: Yeah.

    Q: Were you sleeping on the couch or the bed?
    A: On the couch. Yes. On the bed.

    Tracy had met Susan Launius before, or on the day of June 30, when she arrived and before the murders?

    Q: Who did you know at that house on Wonderland?
    A: Bill, Joy, Ronnie – I didn’t – I hardly barely knew his ex-wife and I didn’t know –well – I met Barbara.

    Devastated, Tracy had to force the thoughts of his friends being murdered out of his mind.

    A: I believe it was two days and I – I – I had a bit of a hassle trying to forget some of this so I have to, you know, search in my head to remember it.

    Q: I understand.
    A: It was a shock.

    So Lind called him “Titmouse Tracy”. Probably to his face, so he does not seem fond of Lind at all.

    Q: With regard to those two days and nights, I think you said, of constant planning, who was present during that planning?
    A: John, me, Ronnie, Billy and Joy and the girls, but they didn’t get involved, really. They were just there. It was just us fellows but then, all of a sudden, David Lind pops up from nowhere. I don’t know where he came from.

    Q: Did he more or less show up at the last –
    A: Yes. He did.

    Q: And he kind of somehow invited himself into the group?
    A: Yes. Right. Exactly.

    Lind states in his testimony that Tracy had a gun. Tracy says he never had a gun.

    Q: Is there any particular reason you were designated as the driver?
    A: Well, I was originally supposed to – before this other party took his gun back – I was supposed to go in the house. It just turned out, you know. I was going to go in there with a gun.

    Q: Suddenly you ended up without a gun?
    A: Right.

    Liquid Band-Aid. I didn’t even know that stuff was around back then.

    Q: I see. Was anything done, for instance, with regard to putting some substance on the fingertips?
    A: Yes there was.

    Q: When was that done?
    A: Ron put some crap on my hands. I don’t know what it was.

    When there at Nash’s with Holmes or casing the place with the others. He was at both doors?

    Q: You never went into the Nash residence?
    A: I just made it to the back door one time. The front door another time. But I never had been in it, no.

    Reading the newspaper. That never looks suspicious. I once asked a guy why he was parked in front of my house reading a newspaper all day. He said he was a private investigator trying to catch some guy cheating on his wife.

    Q: At some point did you hear a shot?
    A: Yes, I did. I was reading the newspaper.

    He did something. He got nervous! stayed right there.

    Q: As a result of that shot did you do anything?
    A: Yeah. I got nervous but I didn’t do anything else because I stayed right there.

    Tracy got nervous/frightened upon seeing a car that looked like Nash’s out on Wonderland, so he left in a cab back to North Hollywood…

    Q: When you came back to the Wonderland address and after the loot was divided up did you stay there for some period of time before you left?
    A: Not too long. As soon as the money was divided up I left, about five minutes later.

    They were supposed to move out but never did. The coroner’s report lists Ronnie’s hair as brown or dark brown, so I think he may have died his hair. Speculation… Nash lived 5 minutes away and had seen their faces.

    A: Me and Billy and Ronnie promised each other we were all going to move the same, next day, and it didn’t happen.

    Q: Were you all going to move?
    A: Yeah.

    Q: Move out of the residence?
    A: Right.

    Q: Were you going to move out?
    A: We were all going to move out.

    Q: Well, did you all move out?
    A: No.

    If Bill Vlick was the supplier for Joy, then this statement confuses me. Vlick was caught with heroin in June, 1980 so I think by 1981 he had quit dealing in heroin and the gang was forced to go to other dealers. Also, maybe Vlick would not accept trade or collateral for drugs. Maybe he wanted cash, so the gang had to go to Nash and others. I’m really confused by the gang’s money situation. I think they were really broke, it was the end of the month, and rent was due.

    Q: That residence was used as a location for sale of narcotics. Isn’t that correct?
    A: It was also used as a place to live.

    Q: I understand that. But was it a place where narcotics were being sold?

    A: Not that much narcotics. Most of the narcotics was – did prior to that robbery we had to go out and get somewhere.

    And then Earl Hanson is mad at him again…

    Q: All I’m asking you –
    A: No. There wasn’t that much sales going on there. That I saw.

    Only the “niche” would be allowed in. Like Chuck Negron, people who knew Joy, or Ronnie’s dealer buddies:

    Q: Would anybody have any trouble, to your knowledge, getting into that house?
    A: Sure, they would. Definitely. Ronnie, the people that did come and go were all of a certain, shall we say, niche, or whatever, you know? I mean, if you weren’t in that little clique you didn’t just walk in that house or you were not even around none of those people.

    Who is Mike? Ron knew him.

    Q: After the robbery did you have an occasion to go back to that residence?
    A: Yes. One time.

    Q: To your knowledge did someone named Mike go?
    A: Yes, but Mike had been up there before. That is the only reason he ever was able to, and that is the only reason I even took him up there, because he had been up there before, you know.

    Q: But, in any event –
    A: And Ron knew him.

    Jimmy Vegas…

    Q: Do you recall telling Tom Lange on the next day which was Tuesday you were staying in an apartment over on Lemp Street?
    A: Yes. I was staying there.

    Q: Did you see someone named Jimmy Vegas?
    A: Yes, I saw Jimmy Vegas there.

    Q: Do you recall telling that to Tom Lange?
    A: Yes, I think I did.

    Ron Coen objects to a question by Hanson, and Tracy fires this off before the judge can respond to the objection:

    THE WITNESS: I said there was no heavy dope. There was a little bit of weed being sold there but there wasn’t no China White traffic. That is hard enough to find in the first place.

    Hanson has no more questions, but Coen asks a few more, including this one:

    Q: When you mentioned you have to be a particular type of clique to enter that residence, based upon staying there and knowing the residents as you did, was John Holmes the type of person that Ron Launius would allow inside the house?
    A: Yeah.

     
    • localarts 7:00 pm on February 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “he told us to get him. He went like this (shaking his fist out the window)” WTF was Holmes thinking!! The whole idea boarded on shear madness. The most accurate picture of what went down is within McCourt testimony & Lind in 1990. I think Tracy wanted to be respected and treated like the others.

      • criticextraordinaire 10:28 pm on February 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Johnny was thinking “we’re gonna score some dope”. If you think of this caper in terms of The Godfather, Tracy was Fredo, Ronnie was Sonny, and John was Hyman Roth. He played his part beautifully. Eddie was Michael Corleone, ruthless.

      • Bobby 3:03 am on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yup, pretty dumb. John was short sighted and only had his eye on the dope prize. How did he for a moment think he was gonna get away with it? It’s utterly confounding to say the least! Nash & Diles would’ve taken all of 2 seconds to work out who the “genius” behind the robbery was.. even if Ron never actually yelled out “Johnny Wadd says hello” on the way out…

        • criticextraordinaire 12:55 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink

          This is why your typical drug addict does not live a long life. All they think about is the dope, it blinds them to everything else and that includes logic.

          I’ve dealt with addicts in the past who… in the pursuit of their next hit, will be incredibly creative, thoughtful, and industrious. But all of those qualities are solely focused on the immediate issue at hand – getting high. After that, nothing else gets consideration. Not dying from an OD, not getting killed by the dealer they want to rip off, not losing their families. On the Nash hit, John, Ronnie, David, and Billy were equally stupid.

          As odd as it seems, the most “challenged” player in this scene was Tracy, who had the good sense to “make like Gretzky and get the puck out of there” after the Nash home invasion. Which made him the smartest member of the gang, at least on that day.

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  • John 11:01 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Insider Tells Us About Tracy McCourt, Post Wonderland 

    Thanks to Betty for sharing some insight into the private world of Tracy McCourt. Actually, I cannot thank you enough. I had tried to contact Joni and their daughter before, but was not able to get in touch with them for an interview.

    Here’s what Betty had to say:

    I knew Tracy very well while he attended EKU. I was a den mother of sorts to him & his college roommates. He loved to come to our house to be a part of a southern, country style family. When Tracy first spoke of his involvement in the Eddie Nash caper we thought he was really full of it only to find he was telling the truth.

    He repeatedly landed in jail in Madison County, but was always released to our amazement. I later learned it was because the LA police told Madison Co. to let him go. I guess when they arrested him here & ran his name his record came up which prompted them to contact Orange County. They eventually came to EKU pulled him out of class & offered him money & a new identity to testify in the trial against Nash.

    They flew him & wife Joni out to LA. Put them up during the trial. When it was over he got nothing they promised him. That was when the family packed up & moved to Colorado. He was always looking over his shoulder & justifiably so, He spoke rarely of the murders, it pained him deeply. He did speak of the ordeal in depth on more then one occasion. I knew the name of his daughter & have been in contact with her. We talked about the movie & I commented on the very small acclaim they gave his character. She replied w/ information that sounded so Tracy McCourt. She told me that her dad couldn’t leave (the film) well enough alone & kept buggin’ the crap out of them for more money for his part or information he could give. He called them so much that he pissed them off and cut his recognition of involvement to what we saw on the screen. So typical Tracy never being satisfied, always wanting more. Those of us who knew him here had a genuine fondness for him & his crazy ways. He could be extreme with his desire for drugs & alcohol, but I reckon’ that’s what addicts do.

    I used to take him to his grandmother’s house several counties over where I met his family on more then 1 occasion. His mother made stained glass. I saw several beautiful pieces she had made. His grandmother was wonderful!!! His brother was there as well but his name slips my memory. Last time I heard from Tracy was in ’97. He called from Colorado wanting to stop & visit on his way to Florida. He never showed. I wondered about him from time to time. It was only when I made contact w/ his daughter that I learned of his passing. She told me it was Hep C. That was no surprise to me. RIP TRACY. LOL He loved to think he looked like Huey Lewis!!!!

    Wow. Thanks again, Betty. You are Awesome!

    I read that the movie shot in like 20 days, and so no wonder James Cox ran a tight ship, did things his way, and already had his angle for the movie via David Lind, Sharon and Dawn’s version of events. That’s too bad. Tracy’s view would have helped a lot because his testimony is truthful to the Wonderland reality, the way the gang was, the personas of each person, the drugs involved, the way that the house was run. His testimony is for Holmes prelim trial is posted here on this blog. Go check it out.

     
    • Brandy 11:12 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is amazing John, as usual! No one, NO ONE can get the inside info like you can. I feel HORRIBLE for Tracy. Although some implied he wasn’t as bright as the rest of the Wonderland gang who went to college? Who saw the Buick watching the house & escaped with his life? WTF, why would the LAPD do that? Just because a conviction wasn’t optained? What a jackass move, way to go LAPD.

      • John 11:24 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        In the credits for the movie… via IMDB… they even list his character as some alias or other name. The character is not even listed as Tracy McCourt! He must have upset someone on the crew, prob a creative type or the director or producer.

        • John 9:58 am on December 2, 2013 Permalink

          His character is listed as Tommy Conway in the movie. They stiffed him on the credit.

      • John 1:12 pm on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, Tracy took a cab from Wonderland back to North Hollywood on the day of the robbery. I guess Ron was going to use the stolen Ford Granada as his wheels. I looked hard on the last part of the crime scene footage out in the street but could only make out that big Dodge van behind Billy’s yellow truck. No Ford Granada, but it was dark was probably parked up the street. If Ronnie picked up Susan the next day in his stolen car, then that is pretty funny. Based on news reports, she either flew down… I think that Nils said she flew down too, or other reports say she was living in Tujunga, which is about a 1 to 2 hours drive northeast of the Wonderland house location and north of Burbank and Glendale.

    • localarts 11:54 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Great work John! I knew Tracy testified in Nash’s 1990 trial but this adds a whole new dimension. I bet Tracy was pissed when the DA didn’t honor their word. Tracy McCourt is perhaps the most overlooked character in this entire saga and yet he was the only one smart enough to get out of Dodge before the ensuing massacre.

    • dreamweaverjenn 1:55 pm on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That’s awesome!

    • criticextraordinaire 5:51 pm on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This site kicks ass. Nowhere else can you get this kind of scoop. As to Tracy getting stiffed on a Witness Protection gig… I’m guessing that he left out some details when he was on the witness stand and that caused the deal to be withdrawn. But really in the end, how valuable could his testimony have been? The robbery was already stipulated by the time the case went to trial, and Tracy could not testify anything about the murder since he was not there. I’m calling BS on Tracy saying he was promised a WPP deal and it was unreasonably reneged upon. (Not calling BS on Betty, just Tracy).

      • John 7:40 am on November 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The bribed juror thing really plays here…in the first mistrial. Without that, Nash may have rec’d the death penalty. The prosecution was soooo close. But Nash, again, was too teflon…and his PI’s and cohorts found a way. Bribe a poor 18 yr old black girl from south central. Total Nash!

        • localarts 9:03 am on November 20, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, that 1990 trial was a death penalty case as I recall. Eddie probably would have given that 18yo a blank check if she would have asked.

        • John 10:46 am on November 20, 2013 Permalink

          I wonder what if anything, McCourt and Lind said to each other, if they met at the Nash trial(s). I can’t picture Lind being put up at the Hotel Belmont or a fancy place. Maybe he requested the Cecil Hotel LOL!

          Julia Negron said that Lange introduced her to Susan Launius in the green room waiting area for witnesses at the Holmes trial. Susan was quiet and kept her head down. The state had Julia on call to be a possible witness at Nash’s trials but she was never contacted again. In 1981, when cops came to her hills home around the corner from Wonderland showing her pics of Holmes and asking questions, she was shocked “I remember that guy!”

    • John 7:45 am on November 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Thorson was an eyewitness to what happened with Holmes at Nash’s that night, allegedly. Thus, he got a witness protection deal and even a name change and moved to Florida. I think the prosecution misled Tracy, and with just his mostly indirect testimony about the house and robbery, the higher ups reneged on their promise to him. They were stacking their witness list is all. I guess Tracy testified at both instances of the Nash/Diles trials. The first being the bribed juror trial, the second was the red herring trial where the defense accused Paul Kelly of the murders…and the jury bought it.

    • localarts 1:45 pm on November 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t think McCourt cared much for Lind with the way Dave treated him so I would image very little was said. I believe the only reason they had McCourt Testify was he could put Holmes at the Wonderland house (planning of the robbery) Lind testimony corroborates the robbery itself and Thorsen’s eyewitness account of the extraction of information form Homes at Dona lola would tie everything back to Nash.

    • Mark C 6:22 pm on December 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Depend on what theory you believe in, Tracy McCourt is dead 6 foot under or Tracy is in Witness Protection Program.
      What really is sad is if Huey Lewis was sick and could not preform that night concert, Ole Tracy could of step right in his place and took over his place in the band and fooled everybody they looked so much alike and Tracy would of make all the fans happy.
      Or more than likely what really could happen, Tracy could of stayed in the Holliday Inn Express last night and in his own mind he could replace Huey Lewis and did the whole next night performance for the sick Mr. Lewis. and made everybody happy passing himself off as Huey Lewis.
      I read that about this subject and what his Den Mother @ EKU said about Tracy .That will most likely be stuck in my mind for rest of my life.
      Ole Den mother came up with a very good real true life Tracy McCourt quote on that one.

  • John 6:47 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Tracy McCourt Photograph – Circa 2006 

    Special thanks to SteelAddict for sharing this incredible find. This is what he had to say:

    Attached is a pic of Tracy not too long before he died.  I pulled this from the Colorado prison system inmate locator a few months before he passed.  I think he was out of jail when he died though.

    Tracy’s Find-A-Grave Memorial

    Read EVERY post about Tracy that is on this blog – Thanks to Bonnie, you can even take a video drive down Lemp Street, where he was living at the time of the robbery and murders. You can also read his testimony from 1982, see the other places he lived, check his criminal past and of course read about his love life. I simply cannot believe that more authors did not try to track him down for quotes in books and articles. Hell, maybe they did and he told them to get lost. So many questions.

    If I’m reading that height chart correctly, Tracy was about 5’7″ tall. When I zoomed in on the original bmp file, I could read his prison ID tag: MCCOURT, then TRACY below it, while the rest was too hard to decipher.

    Colorado Prison System

    Colorado Prison System. Tracy is about 57 years old here.

    Bonus!  John Holmes defense attorney, Earl Hansen, in high school:

    earl-hansen

     
    • John 7:08 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Oh Lord, I just noticed he’s probably one of those pony tail guys.

      • Bobby 3:26 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        What a great find guys! No doubt about it that’s Tracy.. the eyes and nose are a dead giveaway. The whole Wonderland debacle would’ve taken its toll on the guy. He was damn lucky to have had the foresight to hightail it outta there after the money was split.
        So this would mean there are prison photos of Eddie Nash floating around too? Betcha there ain’t anyone who visits this blog who wouldn’t want to get a gander at those! 😉

    • Bonnie Brae 10:03 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Mr. Sensitive man with a pony tail. ha ha
      Great find.

    • localarts 12:37 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That’s McCourt, has the same eyes. I think Wonderland took its toll on Tracy as well, he looks more like 67. It still amazes me that McCourt & Deverell were still going to rob Nash after Launius and Lind backed out. A prison interview with McCourt right after the movie premier would have been nice. I think Tracy McCourt had a bigger ax to grind with David Lind than Holmes.

      • John W 3:51 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        If Tracy McCourt was still kickin, he is just a vague enough person to be on Dancin With The Stars, same goes for Dawn and Susan… And most of all Eddie!! And Laurie Holmes.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:56 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink

          Well I definitely could see Dawn signing up for DWTS. She could use it as a platform for the E.S.T.E.A.M. effort she promotes.

          And team Laurie up with Ron Jeremy. Dancing with the Porn Stars! Unfortunately Susan would not be able to participate since her injuries I am pretty sure preclude her from a dance competition. Eddie could be guest judge on “Empire Night”… each couple dances a routine that fits with one of Eddie’s famous venues like the Seven Seas, Soul’d Out, Kit Kat, Odyssey, etc… I’d tune in and watch that.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:02 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Problem is, much like he was cheated out of his cut of the Nash loot, Tracy was largely left on the cutting room floor when the movie was produced. Such a shame too. He could have really added perspective to the story of the planning of the Nash hit.

        You can pretty much figure that right after the Wonderland murders, Tracy was crapping his pants and wondering if he was gonna be next. :-O

        • John 8:26 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink

          Indeed! Some great observations about Tracy. The murders were so awful and shocking, that in his testimony, Tracy says he forgot a lot of details because he had to basically push things out of his mind, as to forget, or at best try to forget these horrible images of his friends and their demise. That trauma will leave anyone with a few screws loose.

      • John 12:11 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I saw this post on the forum at Dawn’s blog.
        Tracy certainly did live there, and was married twice there in Kentucky. He’s kind of old to be going back to school but that span is when he moved back to KY from California. But, if he was a veteran, he could’ve have swung the GI Bill for free schooling. I just don’t see someone making up a story like this:

        “Back in the mid/late 1980s, I was finishing up at Eastern Kentucky University, and we had a guy on our floor who claimed to be Tracy Ray McCourt – and claimed to have been a part of this… Had a bunch of jailhouse tats, including some sort of Beatles thing on his chest (IIRC – might have been a different band). Had a serious rap for the (considerably younger than he was) ladies, and laid it on pretty thick… Could this have been the same guy?

        If so… Can’t say as I overly mourn him, but he did make life around him interesting…”

        • John 12:13 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink

          and he did marry girls that were 12-15 years younger than he was… all 3 of his marriages are posted on this blog.

    • localarts 11:16 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Very true. I don’t think McCourt was too surprised by what happened. If you’ll remember right after the Nash hit McCourt said he went out to the balcony and saw a Lincoln Continental pull up, just like the one at Nash’s place. McCourt said he tried to warn everybody but they were too high to care and he got “really nervous” and left. At least Tracy was smart enough to split!

    • John 11:40 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I like how in the prelim testimony at Holmes trial, David Lind is very articulate and quite intelligent sounding, but 10 years later with the Nash/Diles trials he is a sorry sight, and can barely keep it together, quite emotional, etc. He was carrying some major baggage too, for unlike Tracy, he got a girl killed by his actions. That’s a truckload of guilt to have on your shoulders.

      • criticextraordinaire 2:45 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting to see David progress from his high school years as a dude who looked like he would be “accountant of the year”… To a streetwise biker/drug dealing, prostitute hanging badass… To Mort Downey… To an out of control witness… To a broken down drug statistic.

        He coulda been a contender. Maybe we’ll see somebody come forward and do a biography of David.

    • localarts 2:09 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I followed Eddie’s trial back in 90; I wish I had saved those newspapers. Carrying that kind of guilt for nearly ten years wore on Lind, it had to. I honestly believe Lind didn’t care whether he lived or died and that may have explained why he acted the way he did.

      John Holmes was also listed in the indictment. They may have been going after Holmes on conspiracy to commit murder, not sure though. It really didn’t make any sense, the guy had been dead for nearly two years.

      • criticextraordinaire 2:42 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        They added Holmes to the bill simply to be able to file RICO charges. You need 5 accused conspirators (dead or alive) in order to file on RICO.

        • John 2:45 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink

          I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at these trials. Especially the hung jury at 11-1. Eddie was sweating bullets and was lucky to get out of that scrape. Luckily, a poor young kid was on the jury with a craving for quick cash. She’s not talking to me, so she must know that Eddie is still alive, and she’s scared.

        • John 10:01 am on October 18, 2013 Permalink

          Here’s the 5 conspirators:

          Five of Nash’s associates, including two now dead, were named as
          unindicted co-conspirators:
          * Hovsep Mikaelian, also known as Joe McLean, 49, of North
          Hollywood, accused of supervising the storage, distribution and sale of
          illicit drugs for Nash. Mikaelian is serving a 14-year federal prison
          term on a 1997 conviction for narcotics trafficking, wire fraud and tax
          evasion.
          * Mikaelian’s brother, Hrant, 45, also of North Hollywood, accused
          in the indictment of drug trafficking, wire fraud and money laundering.
          He pleaded guilty last year in an unrelated international money
          laundering case and is to be sentenced later this year.
          * Harry Diramarian, 58, of Pasadena, an accountant who worked for
          Nash and the Mikaelians. He was alleged to have been involved in the
          drug ring’s money laundering and bribery activities. Diramarian is
          awaiting sentencing in an unrelated $600,000 tax evasion scheme.
          * Gregory DeWitt Diles, Nash’s 300-pound bodyguard, who was
          described in the indictment as a participant in the Laurel Canyon
          murders. He died in 1995.
          * John Curtis Holmes, a pornographic film star, accused in the
          indictment of trafficking drugs and taking part in the killings. Holmes
          was tried in the slayings in 1982 and was acquitted. He died in 1988 of
          AIDS complications.

      • Beth 4:01 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Apparently people are still scared of Eddie even though he’s so old. I asked Dawn several questions on FB, about her dad, Susan, etc and she said she can’t answer anything because it wouldn’t be “safe”. Would really love to see someone do a news story on him and try to get an interview. Someone call Dateline!! 😛

    • localarts 3:03 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      From what I understand Eddie slept through most of the trial. Mike Sager said Eddie would go out to the parking lot during recess and pop Quaaludes and his attorneys had to stick him with an ink pen to wake him up.

      Attorney: Wake up Ed you’re innocent
      Eddie: Huh? What? Oh, that’s great. Hey let me borrow that pen, I need to sign a check for juror number 3

      • scabiesoftherat 11:21 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Hell, Phil Spector was pretty much asleep when they sentenced him. Nerves of steel on Nash and Spector,…nerves of steel. (Or lots of Xanax)

        • John 9:06 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          I guess Phil’s first trial was a mistrial. That’s the one that featured all of his outlandish hairstyles. For the second time around, I saw in an interview where his lawyer said “Please Phil, limit it to one hairdo this time dude you’re killing it with the jury man!” LOL

    • Tori 1:20 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is great! Wish we could’ve had more on McCourt !

      • Tori 1:21 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        John do u know what Tracy was in for at that time?

        • John 2:28 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          Drugs and beating up his brother and mom. Actually, I think he stabbed or cut his bro with a knife. Click on that link at the top I shared, it lists his crimes in Colorado. I think he was mostly in there for drugs though. He was busted for forging prescriptions in the 1970s.

    • Betty Boop 8:27 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I knew Tracy very well while he attended EKU. I was a den mother of sorts to him & his college roomates. He loved to come to our house to be a part of a southern, country style family. When Tracy first spoke of his involvement in the Eddie Nash caper we thought he was really full of it only to find he was telling the truth. He repeatedly landed in jail in Madison County, but was always released to our amazement. I later learned it was because the LA police told Madison Co. to let him go. I guess when they arrested him here & ran his name his record came up which prompted them to contact Orange Co They eventually came to EKU pulled out of class & offered him money & a new identity to testify in the trial against Nash. They flew him & wife Joni out to LA. Put them up during the trial. When it was over he got nothing thye promised him. That was when the family packed up & moved to Colorado. He was always looking over his shoulder & justifiably so, He spoke rarely of the murders, it pained him deeply. He did speak of the ordeal in depth on more then one occasion. I knew the name of his daughter & have been in contact with her. We talked about the movie & I commented on the very small acclaim they gave his character. She replied w/ information that sounded so Tracy McCourt. She told me that her dad couldn’t leave well enough alone & kept buggin’ the crap out of them for more money for his part or information he could give. He called them so much that he pissed them off and cut his recognition of involvement to what we saw on the screen. So typical Tracy never being satisfied, always wanting more. Those of us who knew him here had a genuine fondness for him & his crazy ways. He could be extreme with his desire for drugs & alcohol, but I reckon’ that’s what addicts do.
      I used to take him to his grandmother’s house several counties over where I met his family on more then 1 occasion. His mother made stained glass. I saw several beautiful pieces she had made. His grandmother was wonderful!!! His brother was there as well but his name slips my memory. Last time I heard from Tracy was in ’97. He called from Colorado wanting to stop & visit on his way to Florida. He never showed. I wondered about him from time to time. It was only when I made contact w/ his daughter that I learned of his passing. She told me it was HepC. That was no surprise to me. RIP TRACY. LOL He loved to think he looked like Huey Lewis!!!!

  • John 11:44 am on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Tracy McCourt Married At Age 20 

    The strangest part of the Wonderland story is that the porn star had been married the longest. Oh well, that did not stop the others from trying, and that includes the elusive Tracy McCourt. One site showed him once being enrolled at UC-Irvine college and that he was related to Frank McCourt, who owned the L.A. Dodgers. Now, I’m really freekin’ lost.

    I’m slowly but surely finding out more about Tracy though. Tracy was born in 1949. I find that his Social Security Number was issued in California in 1963 when he was about 14 years old. That means it’s likely that he grew up and went to school in So Cal.

    McCourt was married in Los Angeles in 1969, a few days after I was born. Tracy and Janis N. Davis were married on October 20, 1969. Janis was three years older than Tracy. I don’t know how long they were married because I could not find a divorce record in California.

    Since the producers of the 2003 film were hell bent on using David Lind’s story, we never got to really see the true acting genius of George Leonardopoulos, who played Tracy in the film.

    True love never dies.

    True love never dies.

    Tracy would also get married in Kentucky twice (1988 and 1994). 1988 – Joni S. Holt. 1994 – Vickie L. Carrier.

     
    • localarts 3:41 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’ve never really been able to find anything on McCourt. Thats a good find.

      • John 10:13 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The Launius surname is Lithuanian: perhaps a nickname from Lithuanian launys meaning ‘hornless’

    • John 2:52 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Tracy and Janis were divorced in June, 1973. Another short marriage to log in the annals of Wonderland.

    • localarts 6:19 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Damn! I wonder what the combined alimony checks were for the gang?

    • John W 6:36 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That’s good work if you can get it!

  • John 1:46 pm on July 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Where Tracy McCourt Lived in North Hollywood 

    Oops sorry. We are actually talking about Lemp Avenue here today!

    Oops sorry. We are actually talking about Lemp Avenue here today!

    During his testimony at Holmes 1982 preliminary hearing, Tracy McCourt stated that he was “staying” at an apartment on “Lemp” in North Hollywood during the robbery and murders. Well, loyal reader Bonnie took a drive over there and Lemp Avenue is barely, if even, a mile long. She drove it in a few minutes. Thanks for that tip, B!

    Take a drive in HD:

    Tracy only says he was “staying” here on Lemp, probably with his friends.

    By the way, I once found an old apartment of his in North Hollywood where McCourt must have been on the lease or got mail there or listed it on a tax return or employment record. The building was one of those 3 or 4 story courtyard style apartment buildings but now I can’t find the picture or the address. That was probably before the Wonderland saga, but who knows. I’m sure that he had gainful employment or an apartment in his name at least once while in L.A.

    The best part is, there are only two different apartment buildings on that street. And here they are. The street splits a few times and picks back up again after a few blocks, but on those sections there are houses and duplexes.

    Anyway, enjoy. I did a lot of combing, hesitated to post this but what the hell. It’s Wonderland.

    How many cigarette butts did Tracy flick off of one of those balconies?

    How many cigarette butts did Tracy flick off of one of those balconies?

    Here is the other apartment building, the parking entrance (not shown) shows it being a larger building than the apartment building above… it goes pretty far back from the street.

    Stupid trees!

    Stupid trees ruin the view.

     
  • John 12:47 pm on June 26, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Tracy McCourt – A Life Of Crime After Wonderland 

    I wish that I could find more…

    A Colorado Springs man was in jail Wednesday after allegedly stabbing his younger brother in the throat and assaulting his 69-year-old mother, according to El Paso County Sheriff’s deputies. Tracy Ray McCourt, 48, faces charges of attempted second-degree murder, first-degree assault and wrongs against an at-risk adult. He was being held late Wednesday in the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center on $50,000 bond.

    –The Gazette. Colorado Springs, CO. June 5, 1997.

    Wanted: Colorado Springs Crime Stoppers is asking for the public’s help in finding the following people for whom felony arrest warrants have been issued. Tracy Ray McCourt, 52, is described as a white man, 5 feet 10 inches tall, 150 pounds, with brown hair and blue eyes. McCourt is being sought for assault with a deadly weapon and failure to comply on the original charge of distribution of a Schedule II controlled substance.

    –The Gazette. Colorado Springs, CO. October 28, 2001.

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 3:29 pm on June 26, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It’s sad but I’m not surprised.

      • John W 4:35 pm on June 26, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        It just occurred to me that Greg Diles weighed as much as Billy and Ronnie combined.

        • Bonnie Brae 4:37 pm on June 26, 2013 Permalink

          are you talking about 300 pound Greg Diles?

    • localarts 4:48 pm on June 26, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I guess he still wanted to prove to himself he was a real criminal after being relegated to nothing more than a taxi service for the Nash hit. Some people just never learn.

    • Bobby 3:08 am on June 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      What a loose cannon.. I wonder what the fight with his brother and mother was over? Btw, does anyone know what McCourt died of?

      • John W 4:24 pm on June 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        No Bobby, I don’t. Tracy was about 57 when he died. His mother died a few years after the above incident, old age I guess.

  • John 2:02 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Other Addresses For David Lind & Tracy McCourt 

    In the past, I had posted a photo of Dave’s last known address in the city where he died. This one below is in Oregon though, and so it goes… not sure if he lived here with a girlfriend, friends or by himself. The last I heard his granddaughter was looking for info on him. He was estranged from his immediate family, I’m told. I guess that I would be too if I got my girlfriend killed like that.

    There are also rumors that his involvement as an informant goes waaay beyond Wonderland… although he probably really is dead. I doubt he dropped out of sight into the witness protection program in 1995. However, his remains are interred at an impressive niche at a cemetery in Sonoma County, CA…which is strangely nowhere close to where he died.

    Oh well, for what it’s worth. To see the other house in Eureka, use the search button: “Lind Address”.

    RIP Bounty Hunter!

    RIP Bounty Hunter!

    Colorado Springs, CO

    Tracy McCourt’s other last known address in Colorado Springs, CO

     
    • krislyn 3:03 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Hello. FYI. Sharon memorial service will be held this Saturday in oregon. she passed in October. RIP. Dawn Sciller posted it on ther FB page shes easy to find. Thanks.

      • John 4:51 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sharon had a tough life. RIP baby.

    • dreamweaverjenn 3:24 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It looks like Sonoma county is near sacramento which I thought was one of his old stomping grounds?

      • John 4:52 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, but I am not sure how he arranged that…. did a girlfriend arrange his resting place. I doubt the dude had a will and stuff. Oh well. RIP.

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:42 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          No, I’m guessing he didn’t. But hey, stranger things have happened.

    • localarts 4:04 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I wonder if McCourt got a chance to see Wonderland before he died.

      • John 4:50 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Well, if Tracy saw it then he was probably miffed at having one sorry line in the film. Reader, pixiecat, told me that one of Joy’s daughters is a big westie socialite in L.A. and some magazine did a piece on her big new stylish house.

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:43 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          Wow. I would love to see her and her new house.

        • localarts 9:43 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          I can almost see McCourt sitting back watching and going no, that not how it happened. This is what happened and so on.

    • localarts 9:41 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, I think Their names are Marla & Michelle. I wouldn’t dare mention Holmes name in front of them.

      • John 6:16 pm on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes. I think Joy’s ex is still kickin… His law practice is all over Google searches. “Melvyn/Melvin Miller”

    • localarts 10:54 pm on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      At times, I think I almost know too much.. kinda of spoils it for everybody. One 2 many tonight!

    • localarts 6:39 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      A lot of credit should go to John for starting this forum, it’s been great. You don’t have to worry about another poster trying to beat you over the head with a 13″ prosthetic dildo when you say somthing negative about Holmes, even though it’s the truth. I’ll say it again, this site makes the IMDB Wonderland forum look bush league.

    • localarts 7:44 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John is the man!

      • John 11:42 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Pixiecat was a great researcher… I wish she would come back to visit us at the blog. I guess she has been busy with other stuff.

        • pixiecat 3:24 pm on June 17, 2013 Permalink

          I’m back! I just had to get through a horrible, horrible semester. Now, I’m free and have tons of time for more research (especially since I’m working from home until the fall semester starts). Sorry for dropping off the face of the earth. You have no idea how awful my workload became starting in March.

          But all kudos need to go to John! He’s the one with the great blog and all the good info.

        • Jenn 11:44 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink

          Awesome!!!!! Welcome back pixiecat!!!! Glad you made it through your horrible semester!!!!! 🙂

  • John 8:13 am on March 13, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Gang Saw Holmes On Their Way To Rob Eddie Nash 

    Just a cool bit of info regarding the robbery of Eddie Nash. David Lind told a similar version of events. He says that Holmes held his raised fist out the window and shouted “Go Get Him!”.

    I wish this part would have been in the movie. It would have been awesome!

    ******************************************

    Dona Pegita is the street shown in the picture below…and the one they had just turned onto when McCourt mentions seeing Holmes in his Malibu coming down the hill, the gang going up in the stolen Ford Granada. You would take a left at the yellow arrow, then go another 150 yards and Nash’s cul de sac “Dona Lola Place” is down a bit on the right. They got impatient waiting for slow poke Holmes to come back from unlocking the back door and so they headed that way on their own to commit the robbery. It was about 8 AM.

    Tracy McCourt:  So we left the house on Wonderland Avenue, and we passed John on our way to Nash’s. He was driving down the hill and we were going up the hill. We stopped and he told us, “Get him!” He went like, “Get him!” So we went to the house and got him.

    "Go Get Him!" LOL

    “Go Get Him!” LOL

    Source:

    The Other Hollywood by Legs McNeil

     
    • scabiesoftherat 11:12 pm on March 13, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I never understood this aspect of the crime. They hit the guy at 8 am. The time when little kids are off school and playing in the street and the time when the milkman and paperboy show up. The time when people leave to go to work in a residential neighborhood. Eddie’s house was in a pretty nice neighborhood but not grand by any means. 8 am is just such a crazy time to do a hit. If it was 5 or 6 am, I could see that. 8?…you got people comin’ and goin’ in broad daylight. Of course, according to Lind, Launius did a hit of H beforehand. Maybe that’s why. They were some strung out people, man. I wonder what their women saw in them. I mean, they were not nice and probably smelled pretty bad to boot. 🙂

      • John W 4:05 pm on March 14, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t think they planned it very well. You are right, earlier would have been better. But, they got away initially, so maybe with all the morning rush hour stuff they (and the lone gunshot) went unnoticed.

    • Bonnie Brae 6:19 pm on March 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think that 4th car in line is me after one of my random drive bys.

  • John 8:20 am on September 21, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Memorial added to Findagrave.com for Tracy McCourt 

    Today, I added a memorial for Tracy Raymond McCourt at Findagrave. Tracy was the driver during the Eddie Nash robbery, and an associate of the Wonderland Gang. He died in October, 2006.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmcid=47174050&GRid=97493987&

     
    • JadedJules 10:50 am on September 21, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I was recently curious about him because there is so little information about him. I read about him moving to Colorado and getting in trouble but I was curious to hear more about him. I bet after the murders his bitterness about being shorted probably melted somewhat. But also it does not sound like his lifestyle changed very much. I’m going on sheer speculation. I find the story interesting.

      • John 1:47 pm on September 21, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, true crime is VERY interesting to me too. I am working on another post about the police records and rap sheets of Deverell and Launius. They certainly were a couple of characters!

        • Bonnie Brae 2:01 pm on September 22, 2012 Permalink

          tried to comment below – but there was not a ‘reply’ option on the entry regarding Barbara Richardson. I absolutely love that you researched the book she was reading. Anyway – I was going to comment that I remember reading somewhere that Lind was with a hooker on this particular eve. It might have even been on one of your earlier entries. I can’t remember. Can you imagine.

        • John 2:34 pm on September 22, 2012 Permalink

          Thanks for the feedback, yes the post i made was a Quick Post, they call it, and not available for replies I guess. But yes, Lind was with a prostitute that night, with or without Barbara Richardson’s consent. The wikipedia page makes it sound like they were not exclusive, but just because Lind was out with another woman does not mean Barbara was hip to it. “honey, i’ll be on the other side of town selling these drugs… I will jist stay on Joe’s couch”. Obviusly I know too much about lying to your significant other, LOL. No, I really don’t!! Ha haa

        • Bonnie Brae 4:47 pm on September 22, 2012 Permalink

          I can’t wait! I want to hear all of it. Clearly these guys were no choir boys.

        • Bonnie Brae 4:48 pm on September 22, 2012 Permalink

          And hey – I pass no judgement on anyone for what they have to do make it to the end of a lifetime. I’m a free spirit.

        • Bonnie Brae 4:53 pm on September 22, 2012 Permalink

          oh and ps – I got really into Terry Reid from the film Wonderland. Faith to Arise is the song playing when Lind and Babs showed up to the party in LA. I liked the song instantly and had to find out who sung it. I have seen the movie way too many times.

        • John 2:19 pm on September 23, 2012 Permalink

          I would have never figured that song out if you had not told me. I will have to download it!

      • John 5:38 pm on September 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, their getaway car was a stolen mid 70s Ford Granada. They are lucky it started! I know because I drove a white ’76 Ford Granada during high school. I bought it from my uncle for $600. it was loaded with leather and cassette and very clean. However, it left me stranded in Alabama as I drove to visit family and a friend in college.

      • John 10:40 am on March 12, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Tracy McCourt: When we got back to the house, I just started getting very nervous. I looked out the balcony and saw a car that looked like the Lincoln Continental that had been parked at Eddie Nash’s house. I told everybody about it, but they were so high and screwed up on drugs that they paid no attention. That’s when I got really nervous and decided to leave on my own.

    • Ron 8:55 pm on February 23, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I got to know Tracy during his time at EKU (Eastern Kentucky University). He walked with a bad limp but always had a big smile on his face. We lived on the same floor and partied together. He told me the story of Wonderland and I encouraged him to write a book about it. He started writing about it for his English class and it really freaked his professor out. Sorry to hear about his passing. Dude had some great stories.

      • Ron 10:16 pm on March 31, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Haven’t read the complete thread yet but I also remember Tracy saying that he was Charlie Manson’s cousin. This was during his time at EKU.

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