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  • John 10:01 am on August 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: anthony mudarris, , , wonderland   

    More From Jerry Vann’s Book… 

    Jerry is quite a character, obviously. You can read more by ordering his book here at Amazon.

    It was easy back then (late 70s/early 80s) to use stolen credit cards, because there was no swiper machine or computers. This was one of their biggest scams it appears. The clerk ran carbons of the card, the old fashioned way. On big ticket items like jewelry, they may call the credit company, but if the stolen card was fresh and not yet reported, it was all clear to buy stuff with.

    Again, Greg is Jerry’s friend (it’s not Greg Diles) and Tony is Nash underling, Anthony Mudarris. The Nash attorney, Mr. Blaish, is still around LA doing business… from a few Google searches.

    Enjoy…

    jerry-van4

    In the following scene, Jerry and Greg had been nailed at a mall using stolen credit cards to buy a watch. They tried to make a run for it but were caught, since they were both out of shape. Jerry was also in trouble at this time because he had been arrested for firing a gun in the air or towards D.A. investigators who had been watching him.

    Famous bail bondsman, Hal Glickman, also makes a cameo. Hal is deceased (about 10 years I believe). His wife, Dottie, who allegedly picked up Holmes that night, died of breast cancer on New Year’s Eve in 1997. Their son, who later took over the family bail biz, has not yet responded to my emails and FB messages requesting an interview.

    In the end, in my opinion, Nash had money and connections, he could even order a hit if he wanted. But he was really just a wealthy coke-head, pulling extracurricular scams, arsons and frauds for quick cash. He chased women day and night. To me, Nash was a slick wiseguy who used others to insulate himself from the crimes. Pure Nash.

    jerry-van3

     
    • Miranda 3:45 pm on August 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      To those of you who think you are strange, I must also be! I find true crime interesting. I read up on different cases and this is one I have read into some about the dynamics of persons involved. Crazy how different they were yet drugs brought them all together. I have heard before that if you do drugs or get into the drug culture you will find others who are on the same track.

    • Stacey Jane Lind Ferraro 7:38 pm on August 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Only the picture on the far right is David Clay Lind I should know he is my dad.I was looking for pictures of him too and can not find any youg ones but I saw him from ’92 to 94 .

      • John 10:12 am on September 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Stacey,

        Thanks for visiting the blog. I am John. I am writing a book about the Wonderland Murders.

        I would like to interview you sometime about your dad. Very little is known about him. I have only found what little I know about him thru background checks, and they can be erroneous sometimes.

        Please email me back! wonderland1981blog at gmail.com

        Thanks,
        John

        • Hymie 3:34 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink

          What would you like to know?

      • Anon4Now 8:33 am on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        There was a Cassie Lind who used to post on another board. I found out later that board wasn’t a Lions Gate board though the posters there claimed it was. Who knows, but the Sacramento detectives that worked Lind and other of his contemporary paid informants caused much havoc with their type of police “tactics.”

        Problems with this type of police work is the perps are really the victims and it’s really impossible for them to ever escape the system. The snitches that they turn out eventually are disenchanted, too, but for them it’s all too late.

        If you’re really one of Lind’s daughters, you should remember a couple of his Sacramento friends. Brad, maybe?

        • John 12:48 pm on September 8, 2014 Permalink

          Thanks Anon. I am writing a chapter for the book about the use of police informants in the 1970s. It was a different era, and like vice cops today, informants and snitches were an important part of their investigation, however sketchy… legally… those tactics are….

      • Pepe 4:25 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Were you visiting in Santa Rosa?

    • localarts 8:27 pm on September 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Lee Meriwether was beyond hot!

      • criticextraordinaire 5:48 am on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ms. Meriwether is still hot.

        • Bobby 8:19 am on September 12, 2014 Permalink

          I believe they call that ‘prunetang’.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:41 pm on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          I’d still hit it…

    • localarts 12:13 pm on September 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      LOL

  • John 9:42 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , miami, motel row, wonderland   

    BeeGees Capture Street Imagery Of Fabulous Motel Row 

    We hit 500,000 page views this week 😉

    In July, 1981 – John Holmes and his girl, Dawn, had fled to Miami, ending up at the Fountainhead Inn. During this time it was considered not-so Fabulous Motel Row. It’s heyday was over…. well today, I found this video for the BeeGees, only released 10 years ago, and it has background street life and neon signs of Motel Row from a few years before Holmes was there…”Most of these motels are now closed…” etc. A great time capsule!  Anyways, you get to see what it looked like at night in 1978.

    Background:

    A music video was made for the song in 1978, but not shown to the public until 2004. It features the brothers singing the song in a darkened studio, layered over background video filmed while driving along “Motel Row” on Collins Avenue, a three-mile motel strip in what is now Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. Most of these motels are now closed or demolished, including several whose names are reminiscent of Las Vegas resorts (Castaways, Desert Inn, Sahara, Golden Nugget).

     
    • localarts 9:00 am on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It took me a long to realize how great these guys were. “Nights on Broadway” is a great song as well.

      • Jacob Bartle 9:05 am on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash died July 4th (two weeks ago) surprised no news here.

        • John 9:49 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink

          Jacob, thanks. Do you have a link to share? I could find nothing.

        • localarts 3:47 pm on July 29, 2014 Permalink

          Wrong! Eddie is the Prince of Darkness…..he will never die.

        • John 12:44 pm on August 4, 2014 Permalink

          It appears so, he’s immortal.

    • London 4:57 pm on July 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi John. you are very close. i grew up a couple of houses up the street from where this happened. I was almost 12 when it occurred. everybody in the house was pretty cool to me. use to give me rides to the country store or pick me up if i was walking.

      • John 9:43 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks London. Please tell some stories if you can? Thanks.

    • localarts 4:45 pm on July 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “We hit 500,000 page views this week” Congratulations John. Did you ever think this site would attract such an audience?

    • Mark C 9:57 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Anybody find out for sure if Eddie Nash died July 4th?? Or is it a internet rumor ??
      I searched could not find out nothing.
      Hey Eddie !!!!! You still on here with your snuggles with built in booties on, kick back on easy chair with TV tray & lap top in front of you??
      I still say that would make my day if we ever track a ISP # back to Ole Nash himself on here enjoying reading about himself.
      One tough guy, He got to be, he about out lived all his old friends. He appears to did enough right heath wise to of made it this long.

      • chris cox 11:24 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        he is still with us.

      • localarts 5:55 pm on August 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        If it’s true, I find it very difficult to believe there is no mention of it in the press. Especially someone as notorious as Nash. I actually remember when Eddie was charged with the Wonderland murders back in 88-89 and it was all over the papers. Maybe Jacob Bartel is a.k.a Eddie Nash? LOL.

    • rimbaudgirl 3:43 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I dont know if it means much but wikipedia says nash died july 4…i know they often get things wrong but arent the dates of birth and death usually right?

    • localarts 11:49 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Adel Nasrallah took a dirt nap, it would have come across the AP wire at some point.

    • bigwick70 5:30 am on January 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Does anyone have any info on how Ronnie and Billy Deverell met? I have looked everywhere I can think and can’t find anything. This story is just so fasinating. Ever since seeing the Movie (by accident) i have been hooked. Would really like to see another one made with more info on the players lives instead of just the murders. Thanks

    • bigwick70 6:06 am on January 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I know this is a little off topic but i remember the 80,s, though I was only 11 in 1981. I thought Donna Summer was the sexiest woman alive even at that age lol

  • John 4:56 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , wonderland   

    Chuck Negron Performs @ July 4th Festival 07/05/81 

    A few days before this concert, he was at Wonderland.

    This was at Long Beach. Other groups which performed at this event were the Beach Boys and Pablo Cruise.

    This one’s for Joy!!

     
    • joii 3:34 pm on July 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      what happened to Sol Berlin????

    • Bobby 8:28 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt Chuck would’ve sped over to the Wonderland house as soon as he got paid for that gig! ;p
      So, does anybody know if the Three Dog Night record at the crime scene was a gift from Chuck (possibly as an exchange for a discount on dope) or was it already in Joy & Billy’s collection? Such a weird coincidence that it was the ‘one’ (boom-boom!) sleeve that ended up getting splattered in blood! What a morbid collector’s item akin to the album Lennon signed for Mark Chapman. Chuck & Julia must’ve freaked when they learnt about that – really spooky synchronicity considering they nearly went over to the house on that fateful night!

      • Bobby 8:39 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Er, slight addendum: Guess he wasn’t speeding over to the Wonderland house as I just realised that this concert was a few days after the murders… BUT, had this been before.. LOL – I think y’know what I was getting at… 🙂
        Hmm, wonder who he started scoring off at this stage?…

        • criticextraordinaire 5:54 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah I kinda wonder that too. The Wonderland Gang’s Wikipedia page describes them as “most influential and feared cocaine distributorship of its time in Los Angeles”. I’ve got to think the next few months saw shortages for customers and turf wars by other dealers trying to carve up the territory.

    • scabiesoftherat 9:22 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      This is a really stellar find, John. Great post. I can’t help but wonder what was going through Chuck’s mind while he was performing here. He seems completely at ease up there. He had to have known about it at this point. It was all over the news. If it were me, I would be scanning the wings looking for cops who were waiting to talk to me about my affiliation with such a questionable residence…but not Chuck, man! He’s out there killin’ it in his own right!…and, not to mention, he’s on the same bill with Dennis “i-lived-with-Manson” Wilson of the Beach Boys. The only thing that could make that bill better would be to have Mark Lindsay do a set. Great video. It’s now in my favorites list. (Geez. I never would have known that was a Three Dog Night album next to the couch had it not been for this blog.) That makes this performance even more serendipitous. Just a side observation about this video? You know it’s 1981 when the lead singer of a pop music combo comes out wearing a striped polo shirt that happens to be tucked in,…AND you know it’s 1981 when a girl in the crowd pulls a pack of Marlboro 100s out her cleavage. You can get a ticket for BOTH of those offenses nowadays.

      • John 2:57 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I tried to see if he had track marks on his arms, but no luck. He is 6’3 or 4….so in this vid he must weight a buck fifty! Maybe less.

  • John 9:04 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: civil rights, , wonderland   

    Eddie Nash Filed Civil Rights Lawsuit Against L.A. In 2007 

    In the lawsuit, Ed was suing three district attorneys of L.A. for violation of his civil rights. But I couldn’t really find too much on this case, or if it was thrown out, settled, etc.

    Under this law, a citizen can sue the individuals involved who worked for the state, but not the state itself. A company is listed as plaintiff as well, so must be something business-related?

    I will reach out to his civil attorney in the case to ask if I can interview Ed sometime. Through his lawyer, Eddie told Jill who wrote the Holmes book that he would “sleep on it” but then said “No” on the following Monday. I would really like to do a chapter on his early life, more than anything.

    The details:

    Nature of Suit: Civil Rights: Other
    Cause of Action: 42:1983 Civil Rights Act

    Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable.  For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

    The number of cases that have been brought under section 1983 has dramatically increased since 1961 when the Supreme Court decided Monroe v. Pape.  In Monroe, the Supreme Court held that a police officer was acting “under color of state law” even though his actions violated state law.  This was the first case in which the Supreme Court allowed liability to attach where a government official acted outside the scope of the authority granted to him by state law.

    Here’s his civil case summary.

     
    • Mark C 6:57 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nash really did live The American Dream story pretty good himself. It be great to get his true “early life” story and that all. I am not trying to reduce what he did or they say he did to family of Wonderland Victims or anybody else,
      He may be a little bitter about the Wonderland part of his life because he lost a very lot not including the money during that part of his life. Going to jail is no cake walk for anybody. It be something I would not be too eager to talk about myself. But Eddie got where Judge was impressed so much with him that he allowed Eddie out of jail early to get the proper medical treatment he needed to save his life. With out proper medical treatment Eddie could be right now 6 foot under like so many in this case.

      • RAW DOPE BMORE 5:19 pm on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        ive interviewed nash believe it or not, i got his number on 411.com i paid $2.00 but what the hell i mean this is the “NASH” for heavens sake. but i spoke with his daughter first she was very pleasant and i asked her if she could give him my number and ask her to call and low and behold nomore than 10 minutes later he called under a blocked number and i was very excited, he told me about when they arrested him and that he volunteered in mentoring drug programs all throughout california and that its hard getting old and that hes been clean since his last jail stint and that john holmes was a 2 faced lying rat who was not to be trusted and that he was a coward and he used him to drive his female friends home when he was finish with them and that holmes did so willingly for a single rock of base.and he also said that hes just living in infamy now and thats not him anymore and that if he had to do it over again he wouldnt have ever befriended john holmes and this was about 3 years ago when i called his home oh btw i asked about greg diles and also about life in palestine and he got really edgy and said he might call me back later he was tired and he got his number changed in about a week but luckily i got to meet one of my icons and i thank god for that alot. i guess he probably thought i was paparazzi or the feds but im just a fan of the way he ruled cali with a iron fist and how much money he accumilated without ever blowing his cover as a kingpin he was making more legit money than illegal money my hero

        • Derek 4:23 pm on June 22, 2015 Permalink

          you never spoke with Ed Nash. He hasn’t spoke to his daughter since 1988 and I lived with him till his passing in 2015.

    • criticextraordinaire 9:03 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      An interview with Eddie would be a huge, massive score. I would not expect to get any revelations about the Wonderland hit per se, but he certainly could shine a light on some of the now-deceased players, and perhaps offer some never-before-heard details of the assault on him and Gregory Diles. Your blog takes a very professional approach to the whole story, so maybe Eddie will see your invitation as a way to finally tell his story to somebody who will not sensationalize it or twist it.

      The only version of that story that we hear is the narrative provided by Lind, whose credibility is, uh, *questionable*. We need to hear the other side of the story.

      Would also be great to get Eddie’s take on what it was like to hang out and party with Johnny Wadd, and did he have access to any of John’s costars..

      • Bobby 9:56 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Couldn’t agree more! It would be great to hear Nash chime in on other aspects of his life unrelated to the murders. I’m guessing he wouldn’t be interested in talking to anyone but who knows, if he was made aware that an objective book was being written about the case he might agree to an interview – sans any deathbed-seque confession of course! Not holding my breath though.

  • John 7:53 am on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , wonderland   

    Neighbors Ignore Victims’ Screams 

    Notice Detective Tom Lange just in front of the fire rescue man. The cop back there in casual clothes… well, it must have been his day off. To quote Bob Sousa “Is this gonna ruin my 4th of July weekend?”

    UPI. July 2, 1981.

    UPI. July 2, 1981.

     
    • localarts 2:38 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Looks like the UPI has placed the wrong pic with the story. The Wonderland victims were not carried out on gurneys, more like body bags. Two people carried out the women while four individuals carried out the men.

      • John 3:22 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know, but I’ve seen video of a gurney wheeling out the bodies. It was in that XXXL The John Holmes Story video.

      • Colleen 9:28 pm on November 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Looks like a body bag to me. They can put em on stretchers so the body won’t be as heavy and/or to “deal with” crowds yet that wasn’t the case in these murders. But yeah this is Tom Lange in the photo. (Btw Ik im years past ya post…..js) .

    • localarts 9:03 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2N5WTeggnw at 2:27 two men are caring either Joy Miller or Barbara Richardson. I’m just say’in…

    • dreamweaverjenn 3:45 am on March 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Watching Wonderland as we speak. It’s 4:45 a.m. here and it’s on IFC….

  • John 11:41 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , wonderland   

    2010: Dawn Schiller Talks To Radio Show 

    Susan Murphy Milano (RIP) was a radio show host, blogger, activist and author for topics like violence towards women, stalking, child abuse. You can check out Dawn’s interview and discussion below. Susan Milano died two years ago, but thankfully she got this interview down in the books. (and no, Susan Milano is not Susan Launius, they just have the same maiden name)

    Susan and Dawn speak for about an hour, and topics are of course:  John Holmes, Dawn’s early childhood, her father, mother, human trafficking.

    Thrown into the waiting arms of adult film star and predator, John Holmes, Dawn Schiller survived years of abuse, substance addiction and human trafficking. Dawn survived the bloody and tragic “Wonderland” murders, and was victimized again when law enforcement claimed her as a wanted fugitive. We will discuss her journey for the entire hour and her work with the phenomena of “Throwaway Teens” and how to identify, recognize and save others before they become a statistic.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/susanmurphymilano/2010/02/10/the-susan-murphy-milano-show

     
    • Brandy 11:42 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think I’ve heard enough of Dawn Schiller for a lifetime.

    • Jill C. Nelson 4:31 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “He was quite a romantic. He set it up at the beach, that it just so happened that my sister wasn’t there and he asked me to go camping by myself. It was like we both knew that it was the night.
      We went to Malibu, Zuma Beach and went to Leo Carrillo, a campsite there. It was a full moon, low in the sky. It was perfect and he was very quiet. I can remember just watching him as I walked along the beach, sat on the rocks and watched the moon. It was very magical. Without saying anything, he got down from that rock, took my hand and walked to the van. That was the night. He was extremely gentle and just awesome. I felt as if I was his newborn child or something — that’s how precious he treated me.” — Dawn Schiller, John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches © 2008, Jennifer Sugar and Jill C. Nelson (original dialogue and script text from WADD: The Life & Times of John C. Holmes, provided by Hustler Video.)

      No matter how anyone might feel about the action itself, I post this excerpt above simply as an illustration of the contrasting depictions (by Schiller) of this night shared between Schiller and Holmes in the interview she did for WADD, compared to TRTW. It seems that every time the story is described, it changes somewhat. The event itself and the emotions expressed between the WADD interview and TRTW are quite different. I remember when I read about this experience in Dawn’s book, how surprised I was by the way in which the episode and her reaction to it had been adjusted. It’s one of many events that have been tweaked. This is why Dawn did not want Sugar and I to use her WADD transcripts for our bio.

      • John 11:31 am on March 30, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        It’s interesting that Leo Carrillo beach came into play. Nash’s only showbiz credit was in Cisco Kid, in which the stereotyped sidekick, Pancho, who would be an outrage today, was portrayed by one Leo Carrillo! One of the only legit Hispanics on the show. I say “outrage” because Pancho is no less insultjng than the “Frito Bandito” guy in those old commercials.

        How are you Jill? What new book are you working on?

        –JW

    • John 5:19 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Jill. I was going to comment on conflicting statements about Dawn’s time in Florida, post Wonderland… But I didn’t have my references handy. As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:36 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think that was Big Rosie and some dude named Joe from the snack shop at the Fountainhead. Now there would be a real score, if somebody could track them down to get their version of the happenings in Miami back then.

        I wonder if Dawn has enough material for another book?

        • John 5:37 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink

          Yes, Joe and also the Cuban guy who was a male stripper who also stayed at Fountainhead. When John could not find steady work the stripper guy allegedly let Dawn clean his room a few times… Luckily cig’s and beer were cheap back then. Crazy times!!

      • Jill C. Nelson 10:46 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.”

        Yes, and the story about “Louise the stripper.” I don’t doubt that a stripper named Louise factored into the events in Florida, but again the version in TRTW is not exactly how detectives Lange and Tomlinson described it to us.
        It’s always best to stick to one truthful account of a story, especially when there are people still alive who can attest otherwise.

    • jimmy---chicago 5:49 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Dosent statutory rape come into play with those two at least in the beginning

      • John 8:02 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I guess in those days it was a slap on the wrist, but if Holmes were alive, they could still go after him maybe? The thing is, I think Dawn chased him just as much as he chased her. I’m reminded of my little sister. She was 16 in the 1980s, in love and chased after this 20 yr old douche-bag until he finally relented and went out with her. A few years later, with kid in tow, they broke up and she wanted the courts and judge to have him arrested for initially molesting her (because of her age). Divorce can be a hateful thing. The court did not see it her way. He’s actually a good man, and has always paid support and visited my niece. He’s just a regular dad.

      • Anon4now 12:23 am on September 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Statute of limitations comes into play. And, it appears that many dependants of Vietnam and Vietnam-era veterans just don’t get to live with their parents, end of story and a reason why never to lose a war. As ridiculous as it seems for a seemingly stable couple to abandon their child to a porn star, it may have been simple in a way if Holmes really was a veteran. And that’s an “if.”

        Additionally, the California legal age of consent was lessened from 21 to 18 in 1971, if I remember right. The rationale was that if a person was old enough to get drafted and sent into war, that person should be old enough to behave as an adult. That was a rather broad statement; if I remember right, the legal drinking age was 21 (as it is now) and the same with smoking, both those remained unchanged, but I might be wrong on the latter point. And that was the problem: maybe some people didn’t know if they were legal or not at the time. I remember when the law got passed, and I didn’t think much about it then, but I don’t remember why not. I don’t remember my parents or anyone else’s parents talking about it, and actually very few of my school chums.

        But anyway, statutory rape statute of limitations has long since expired for any contact in that era (’70s and ’80s) that wasn’t between teen girls and Catholics, as we’ve been reading in the papers. Non-violent contact, maybe even with the parent’s knowledge if not their explicit consent, was sort of overlooked then. Not really condoned, I guess, but there goes all the hippie girls to the Grateful Dead concerts and coming home pregnant. Dead head for sure.

        And, if no criminal charges are ever timely filed, and if the statute of limitations has expired, constant mention of a subject like might actually be harassment and slander. Except in Holme’s case there’s photographic evidence, isn’t there?

        Personally, all the best wishes to Schiller. But working at an university in Oregon; is that the best employment for a woman with her experiences? Sex and drug registration laws are strictly enforced in California now, and if Holmes would ever have been prosecuted for his relationship with Schiller, he would have had to register as a sex offender for life. Registration laws here are no joke: Sex offender registration is for life, drug offender isn’t, as the first is Penal Code, the latter Health & Safety and simply expires after a certain time period. Holmes would have had to register as both had he not have been such a snitch when he was busted. But, that’s where the idiocy of the state’s citizenry comes into play, as the citizens who follow registration don’t know the difference in the laws, to them all is unending registration that a felon must endure for the rest of his (or her) life unless they tell.

        And that’s how important this Holmes trial was, how much impact it had on the state’s legislation. It really changed things; so many laws have been altered it’s hard to keep track of it all if you didn’t have a hint somewhere along the line. People watch this movie and read Schiller’s stories, and they say “Not again!” And that’s the end of casual contact with California women, sung about so much by the Beach Boys. Drug offender registration isn’t just for opiates (like Lind and Barbara are shown doing so much of. They’d be registered offenders, too), it’s for supplying pot to minors. Simple pot smokers don’t always escape the registration game even with the new legalization movement. This movie hits home on California legislation and court procedure in a vital time period: Shortly after the end of Vietnam, and less than a decade from the lessening of the state’s legal age of consent. Total confusion, and with all the money behind Holmes’ profession, and all the impact that Lind brought with him, the state got put into even more of a spin with this Wonderland trial. But that’s all part of the game, too.

        Why doesn’t Schiller work at a California university? And please post this, John. There’s nothing inflammatory in it and it touches on some important California issues that led to the confusion of the ’70s and later decades.

    • localarts 8:33 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Big Time! Guys are sent to prison for this kind of thing every day.

    • jimmy---chicago 8:38 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My mind was blown the other day . I looked on the sex offender list on line no matter where you live thet are everyware litterally .Type in your address its crazy

    • Brandy 10:50 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Dawn needs money, Dawn will find material for another book.

    • Jim 9:49 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      What people need to remember is that when someone (and we all do this) is telling of an incident(s) they were involved in they always try to cast themselves in the best light. In Dawn’s case the “best light” is the role of complete victim. This is not to excuse Holmes. What he did to her in 1975 was terrible and illegal. However people need to realize that Dawn did not remain 15 years old from 1975 to 1981. She was making the same type of choices in 1975 that she was making in 1981. Keep in mind Dawn was 20 or 21 when she chose to return to LA from Oregon to go back to Holmes soon before the Wonderland incident.

    • localarts 10:28 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My thoughts exactly Jim. Although, I believe it was 1976.

  • John 2:07 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Porn Star’s Death Doesn’t Make For Humor 

    When John Holmes died in 1988, a local writer for the Texan, the school newspaper for the University of Texas, wrote a scathing rebuttal to an earlier hit piece in The Austin Chronicle (which is a free city paper found at any bus stop). The original column which I cannot find now, was titled something like “I’m glad he’s dead”. It was very brief, rude and is best summarized below by Lee Nichols. It’s strange, because as heated as both articles were, neither mentioned the Wonderland saga. Quite a bizarre war of words, and it happened 25+ years ago. In 1988, people still did not understand AIDS. Hell, I still remember the bad jokes. Famine, cancer and AIDS are just not good topics for comedy.

    Have a nice weekend.

    1988

    1988

     
    • criticextraordinaire 4:51 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The day that John died was indeed a sad one. I remember hearing the horrendous news as I drive into work that morning. When I arrived at the office I mentioned “Sad Day, John C. Holmes just passed away. “.

      A girl who worked for me was instantly dejected. “Johnny Wadd died? Man, I saw every one of his movies. This sucks.”

      ‘Twas the end of an era. The King was dead. Long Live the King. 😦

    • John W 5:37 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yes, I was in the hallway at high school when I overheard the news. I had not seen any porn, shocking!, but I still knew who the King was.

    • Mark C 3:20 am on January 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I remember back in 83 or 84 I was running Heavy Equipment & listen to radio all day long to pass the time.and I remember like it was yesterday that they said on FM radio station that soon you will be able to hear John Holmes right here on radio singing because he is right now in a studio making I think a whole music album.. I though to myself wow that going be strange to say the least. I think that one porn star woman done had made that Disco hit out few years before that. She did something the same during that whole song. So I guess I thought this could very well be possible & not a joke.
      But as we know now appears that is one dream did not come completely true for him.
      So I guess that scene in Boogie Nights do have some truth in it.
      Any of you remember hearing about this too??
      Not many people I know heard about that in my area, And myself mainly because dumb luck and having to spend 10 to 12 hours daily I was stuck in a little place with seat in something smaller than a phone booth.

    • criticextraordinaire 1:41 pm on January 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Here’s a link to the original article http://www.michaelcorcoran.net/archives/2283

      “He who lives by the sword…”
      Posted: April 12, 2013 | Author: mcorcoran | Filed under: Uncategorized | Leave a comment »
      By Michael Corcoran

      Justice has prevailed. John “Johnny Wadd” Holmes has AIDS! Finally, the guy whose member looked like the whole goddamn club has paid his debt to a society of guys whose sexual satisfaction came mainly from tossing off in sweaty stag closets while Big John eyed Miss Utah runners-up and went about filling them softly with his schlong, which looked like it took four “D” cell batteries. How I hated the guy with the Marty Allen haircut and the state of Florida between his legs. There he was, flickering in the dark, beckoning a procession of love slaves to “lay some skull on me, bitch,” and there I’d be, pitifully fueling his libido with quarters I’d stolen from my uncle’s coin collection, until 40 pieces of silver later I’d200px-John_Holmes2 make like a clumsy parrot and spill my seed. I’d watch Johnny play the meat in a variety of sandwiches, shining his flashlight into countless caverns and then walk away from the money shot like he’d just played a few hands of gin rummy. Then I’d go home and repeatedly dial the first six digits of the phone number of the girl who stuck the ends of her hair up her nostrils in social studies. I swore than if I ever had, like one month to live, the first thing I’d do is hunt down and kill Johnny Wadd and then I’d tell the girl from social studies to lay some skull on me. If I had only a day or two to live, I’d tell her to lay some skull on me, bitch.

      Those years of sexual frustration are long gone for me; I’ve had skull laid on me in eight states and Nuevo Laredo, and still the news about Johnny Wadd read like the headlines on V-J Day. I was fairly ecstatic when he was sent to prison for a few years for refusing to identify the killers of some coke dealers, but knowing that he was bisexual and had made a few gay films it became sort of a good news/ bad news deal. But now… I’m walking on air.”

      You can bet there was no joy in Smutville when it was announced that the Great White Hope, the Larry Bird of penis size, the guy who made the man with the Golden Arm feel shortchanged, is now packing a deadly weapon in his BVDs. Heck, Seka probably can’t give it away these days. Since J.W. worked both sides of the street and did a deuce in the joint with guys who get hot when they see pictures of the Grand Canyon, the odds that he got the deadly dose from heterosexual intercourse are about what you’d expect a horse with Jimmy Breslin in the saddle to go off at. Still, he probably nailed a few hundred bleachpits since contracting AIDS, and I can’t recall Johnny Wadd ever rolling out the latex carpet while the farmers’ daughters stripped down to their neck scarves. There probably hasn’t been this much panic in the jizz biz since ’86 when a studio guard yelled out, “Here comes Traci Lords’ father and does he look mad!” Serves ‘em right, the lucky stiffs.

      If there is a God, and I’m beginning to feel like there is, he won’t send Johnny Wadd to either heaven or hell, but banish him to an eternity in a porno booth watching a loop of lonely guys with small thingies having sex with wayward starlets, while Roy Cohn looks through the glory hole and whispers “Need any help in there?”

    • jimmy---chicago 2:34 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I was born in 1970 most people who were born after that probably would not know who Holmes was and wonderland forget it try to bring up holmes to thirty somethings porn has exploded since then with movies going straight to dvd by the thousands movies being made in basements and motels everyware

    • localarts 6:03 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Very true Jimmy. Last summer a group of people I was with we’re talking about Behind the Candelabra; this eventually led us to talking about Wonderland. Out of the 12 or 13 people that were there (friends of friends) I think only 4 people knew who John Holmes was including me. People forget an entire generation has passed and technology has come a long, long way.

      • criticextraordinaire 7:32 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        We need to educate the younger generation about John Holmes and his contemporaries. Hopefully his body of work has been preserved in digital format and archived in one of those underground vaults.

        • jimmy---chicago 7:30 am on January 14, 2014 Permalink

          I am suprised holmes and linda lovelace never met up in film

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:05 am on January 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      They met up, just never in film.

      • jimmy---chicago 11:47 am on January 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Really I could not find anything that had them being in the same spot ever

    • Phil - Australia 10:41 pm on January 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Great site! Can’t get enough of it with so much detail on offer….what’s Eddie Nash up to these days? Have you seen him lately John or read anything about him and his whereabouts?…the proposed book ‘four on the floor’ by the two detectives is nowhere to be found…any word if it will ever be published….thanks heaps John.

    • localarts 10:38 am on January 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That interview with Niles is the crown jewel of this forum, it’s the freak’in bomb!

  • John 1:36 pm on December 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , john holmes documentary, wonderland   

    Another British Documentary With Rare Footage 

    This is a different documentary that I have never seen before. It is not to be confused with the other British documentary that most of us have seen on YouTube. It is good resolution and very clear… and has great unseen footage and interviews. I was going to wait until Monday, but I have other stuff to post next week. The Wonderland stuff starts at about the 30 minute mark. Please post in the comments if you know anything about it.

    In this documentary, you get to see:

    • Video snippets of Eddie Nash walking around and being hounded by the press. That smirk is undeniable!
    • Alternate views of Eddie’s house- very good angles and views
    • Video of John being led out of court or jail in a parking lot in handcuffs
    • Prosecutor Ron Coen showing where Holmes bloody palm print was on the bed
    • More interviews with Det. Tom Blake
    • Interviews with who I think is Nash cohort and Holmes’ friend, Hal Glickman (who was a bail bondsman)
    • Pre-trial and trial footage from court
    • Talk of Holmes’ hunger strike while in jail on contempt charges. “He went on a hunger strike…and gained weight. He fasted between meals” –Ron Coen
    • Laurie Holmes talks about John’s mortal remains and how they were spread off the coast of Oxnard or Santa Catalina with his immediate family present
    • Warning! Nudity
     
    • Bobby 10:19 pm on December 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Just got through watching it – nice doco with lots of archival footage I’d never seen before. It was also great seeing Ron Coen showing the exact location of the hand print on Launius’s bed frame. No mention of David Lind though as they really wizzed through the Wonderland chapter. Regardless, a great find John!

    • Jill C. Nelson 5:11 pm on December 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is “XXXL: The John Holmes Story” released in the U.K in 2000. Lots of footage from “Exhausted” here. The documentary was/is not legally designated for release in the United States or Canada.

      “Holmes bloody palm print was on the bed.”
      Again, it’s important to note that the palm print was not bloody.

      • Ken D. 6:06 pm on December 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes Jill,you are correct….. Had the palm print been bloody Holmes most likely would not have beat the charges. During his trial his lawyers contended that with as much time as Holmes had spent in the house prior to the murders,it would not be unsusual at all for the palm print to be there and other places in the house. Had it been bloody,they would not have been able to argue this….

      • scabiesoftherat 1:05 am on December 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Two things struck me as being odd about this. Amerson says John went to his house covered in blood and Sharon says the same thing. I mean, which is it? Also, the palm print for the prosecution is/can be a carrot before the cart type deal when it comes to a jury. John was in that house so much, yet they decline to tell how many OTHER places his fingerprints/handprints were because to do so would knock the wind out of their sails, so to speak. That would be rather anti-climactic to a jury. Just a thought. (That, of course, is not to say that I think John was innocent. I just think holmes got damn lucky that the print WASN’T bloody….considering the amount of blood Amerson and Sharon said he had on him…if one or the other actually saw him that morning. They probably all went out to breakfast.)

        Just a thought.

        PS. That pinky ring on Tom Blake. LOL. What was the cameraman’s thought process about that one? LOL

        (“….must get shot of that ring before we leave,….the boys in editing won’t believe this….”)

        Sorry. I digress. That was the strangest camera shot of the whole documentary,….you know, except for when holmes stood up pulled his junk out in front of that woman. It was then that I thought, “Oh, shit,…this IS German TV.”

        Awesome documentary though. Wish I knew who the guy with the parrot on his head was. (Good Lord. Never, ever thought I would write a sentence like that.)

        • Ken D. 1:58 am on December 24, 2013 Permalink

          Bill Amerson is a well known bullshit artist so I would tend to think that it was him who was lying about a bloody John Holmes coming to his house that morning.

        • Jill C. Nelson 7:14 am on December 24, 2013 Permalink

          “Awesome documentary though. Wish I knew who the guy with the parrot on his head was.”

          That was Joel Sussman, a first rate photographer and one of Holmes’ closest friends.

        • criticextraordinaire 1:54 pm on December 24, 2013 Permalink

          I’d love to see Amerson do an interview for this blog. Heck, it would have to be a SERIES of interviews since he has so much material for sure. Joel Sussman would be another great interview and I’ll bet he would be willing. Something tells me that Amerson would want to be paid.

        • scabiesoftherat 11:44 pm on December 24, 2013 Permalink

          Thank you Ken and Jill for the answers to my questions. Much appreciated.
          PS. Good find, John. As usual.

          Holmes brother was pretty insightful in this doc.

    • criticextraordinaire 8:01 pm on December 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      First time I’ve seen this documentary. The things that struck me were:

      1. Amerson trying to swing that bat in the cage was a riot.

      2. Coen still can’t accept that he lost the case and that Holmes was found innocent.

      3. David Bowman comes off as a complete butt munch.

      4. “Here lady, let me show you my identification”

      5. There was the one scene where the porn distributor talked about Holmes saying that having sex with some random porn star “was real”. Lori then got a very odd look on her face, almost a look of betrayal like maybe John had told her that “it was real”. That was a sad scene.

    • Mark C 6:01 pm on December 25, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      In a strange way I think through so many years of all the very well published & known lies & bull stories told by John Holmes himself through out his whole life, This only adds greatly to more of the mystery of this story.

      Not only we got 1 huge unpunished unsolved multi person cold blooded murder case appears everybody even over seas are very interested in . Eddie was charged with Conspiracy to commit murder and not Capital Murder. I guess I might be wrong, But I feel its is still a open murder case on LA police record books, Thanks’ to John consent lying we have to work our way through all the huge collection of what really John told people and separate what was the real truth fact’s and what was a other one of his countless lies he was well known to tell.. Even without the multi-murder case on John’s record. I think John Holmes true life story could very well went down in history as he was one of the biggest and best liars this world ever known. Plus it would sell I think hugely at the box office.

      I am all for a movie about the real true life story of Ronnie Launius that hopefully will end in a shadow of a arm and pipe coming toward Ronnie head while he sound asleep..

      But come down to it. John Holmes true life story has never ever been put on film properly either . That Boogie Nights movie was just a movie that used only a small part of John life as a movie making idea and rest was made up. Wonderland a great movie in its own right but it only covered about a 1 year period in all these peoples life’s and not a long term life story of any of these people involved.
      This case could have at least 2 separate very good movies story’s here.. I think they should not be combine these peoples life story into 1 movie. Both Ronnie and John both deserve a movie based on each of there own true life story ..
      Even today I feel sure all the interest just in The John Holmes name you have a huge group of people waiting for his true life story movie to hit the big screen. We just have to face it John Holmes name collect interest in huge amount of the people not only in the USA, But world wide even today after 26 years after his death. It be very hard to even find a famous Hollywood Star that would draw all that much world wide attention after all these years.

      Well Eddie Nash has really got a very interesting true life story too.
      I feel sure they at least 2 maybe more very great true movie plots in these people who life’s came together very violently on a very hot summers night in 1981 in city of Angles .

      This give anybody any great ideas, Don’t forget about me now!! I sure could help out in some manner and sure could use just a few extra dollars throw my way if our dream would come true on these movies idea. Nope don’t know 1st thing about movie business but I am a fast learner.

      But this is just about a almost once in life time chance of finding 2 & maybe 3 people who true life stories would make such wonderful & great true life movies that are begging to be made.

      • criticextraordinaire 12:13 pm on December 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Mark, I too would like to see a movie about Ronnie, but I’d prefer that it end just as he and the guys are leaving Eddie’s place, basking in their moment of (short-lived) triumph. Kind of a Butch-and-Sundance feel to it.

        I can actually see the final shot. It is a freeze frame where you see Ronnie busting out the door at Dona Lola, looking like the cat that ate the canary; he’s slightly out of focus. Meanwhile, Eddie is in the background, sharp focus, with a look on his face that unmistakably portends the rest of the story. Roll the credits and the epilogue text.

        • mark c 8:24 pm on December 28, 2013 Permalink

          criticextraordinaire I think you completely correct that would be a so much better ending for a Ronnie movie. Anybody served in Vietnam I always have the upmost very high regard for them. Lot of them guys when through a non-sleep 1 whole year nightmare that stays with them even today. I personally seen couple times what happens during them guys having flashbacks, Not a pretty site to see at all without going into much detail.

          In Army supply Ronnie just might had to fill some tanks or bombs with agent orange or was standing right there supervising it to keep track of the gallons used.. You never really know the true process unless you was there.
          Armed services are famous for what is it they call it ? something like SASFU or something like that. not a too pretty name that explains there daily grind.
          But I feel the wonderland gang know who they was going to hit before hand. They just didn’t care or thought they could pull it off without major paybacks, I think I read they was moving elsewhere right after the heist anyway. I blame Holmes and his big line of BS for that mistake. Holmes wanted all the money & drugs but he sure made sure he would not be right there involved in the heist itself. He sat home with the girls . Mr. Lind just don’t want to get more any more dirty than he already was..
          I feel sure Holmes made a key to that security gate for Wonderland House too.. More than likely within the first 5 minutes he first had a key to the gate, before they took it back away from him, I guess for smoking all that dope he smoked and he didn’t pay for. Plus all of Ronnie’s “Scum Bag Tax” . added up too.
          I like that part about one of Holmes porn pal’s talking about Holmes telling people all the degrees he got from UCLA. The Closest Holmes ever got to UCLA was stealing stereos out of cars in the parking lot.
          Nothing on TV tonight, I am going to watch Wonderland again!!

        • criticextraordinaire 8:25 am on December 29, 2013 Permalink

          Well Mark, Johnny could not have gone on the actual Nash invasion. Eddie and Greg knew John so he would have been dead meat had he been there. (Although it ended up that way anyway, due to John wearing the jewelry the next day) The only way John could have participated in the actual invasion would be if they had agreed to kill Eddie.

          Eddie didn’t know Ronnie, David, or Billy, which was odd given their alpha-dog status in the dope business at the time. John did go to Eddie’s THREE TIMES to make sure the sliding door was left unlocked for the guys though, so he certainly was an active participant in the heist, albeit in a clandestine role.

          I can’t help but think that if they were doing the heist today, Tracy would have been driving a stolen SUV instead of that clapped-out Granada, and there would have been plenty of room for John to have waited with him in the car.

          Whenever John smoked up that shipment he was supposed to deliver for the gang, I’ll bet Ronnie was absolutely furious. Due to Ronnie’s extensive experience in the Air Force logistics command, he knew this was going to throw off the production and inventory numbers, and he already had enough headaches managing his supply chain. Big mistake for Johnny.

    • localarts 1:01 pm on December 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I can see this. Of course you would have to include the Lind & Deverell.

      • criticextraordinaire 4:48 pm on December 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Oh absolutely. That was likely a big part of the dynamic. Ronnie and David each doing the Nash hit trying to prove just how bad ass each were. And Billy pretty much had to go along on the job after all that big talk he and Tracy said about “going it alone” on the job.

        David might be a good subject for a flick too, what with his various brushes with famous people and situations. There’s still a small part of me that thinks he went into the WPP though.

        • John 10:50 am on December 28, 2013 Permalink

          In the movie about Ronnie flick, you could have his character played by Ryan Gosling, that way women and teenage girls would go see it. Ron could break the fourth wall by winking at the camera at the end of key scenes, like a classic or bad Burt Reynolds comedy.

        • criticextraordinaire 11:18 am on December 28, 2013 Permalink

          Well that approach could work, John… if the movie is done like “Goodfellas” and is told from Ronnie’s perspective. Occasionally the scene can stop and Ronnie offers his insight. “We got it all… the dope, the money, the guns. We had Johnny Wadd literally hanging out at our place. Even the vaunted Eddie Nash was on his knees to us. We ruled the world…”

          I’d like to see Suge Knight play the role of Greg Diles. Cast Owen Wilson in the role of Holmes. I’ve got to think about the rest of the cast. For Ronnie I always wanted to go with Joe Elmore, the guy on Horsepower TV.

        • switzerland avenue 3:21 am on December 31, 2013 Permalink

          I would love to see a wonderland movie done in the way of “gone baby gone”. No famous actors, but capable of expressing the real side of drug consuming and trafficking. For the bigger budget version: Daniel Day-Lewis as Nash and send Paul Giamatti to that damn mask and let him do holmes’ last years…

    • localarts 6:25 pm on December 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Unfortunately, there’s not a lot of information about Lind. He may very well have been in the WPP. I know he went into hiding immediately after spilling his guts to Lange and Souza, Lind was picked up a month later by the LAPD.

      I can definitely see the Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid angle, especially at the end. I would much rather see Ronnie go out in a hail of gun fire with the LAPD like Newman & Redford did at the end of the movie as opposed to having his brains beaten out of his skull while he was asleep. As Ronne & David burst out of the front door of Nash’s with Deverell not far behind, jefe de la policía (Daryl Gates) and the rest of the LAPD open fire and the rest is history!

    • russell White 12:19 am on December 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Great new info John. Not sure how you are doing it, but I am blown away! I have been online for 10 years and never heard one bit about the dogs. Also, did you find out if Susan is still alive. When I talked to Nils last year, he did not know but doubted, based on her health.

    • localarts 1:29 pm on December 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I can only imagine what the New Years Eve parties were like at Wonderland! It would probably take at least a week to recover.

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  • John 3:24 pm on December 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , wonderland   

    David Lind’s Cousin Fills In Some Gaps 

    I reached out to his cousin, whom I found online. This is what she sent me. I won’t post the photo of Dave’s mom, but she is a nice looking woman. Dave was married, but I have only found public record of a divorce, which was in the late 60s or early 70s.

    Read on… (Thanks Dev!)

    My family has tried to stay away from the whole incident. I know that David’s mother, who was my grandfather’s sister, was very embarrassed by the whole thing. I, of course, am more removed, so when my mother told me about it, I was quite fascinated, and was living in LA, so of course I went to visit the house.

    I also met Dawn a few years ago, and told her I was related to David. She was very sweet.  She signed her book for me, which I still need to get around to reading…..did you read it?

    My mom has told me that he was not very involved with the family, but when he was around he was a really fun person, very much a ladies’ man, and there was always a feeling of danger when he was around.  He always had his motorcycle with him.  I don’t know if he was actually a part of a Hell’s Angels chapter or not, but I am sure he knew them.  He did have a wife and two children, I believe.  I think he was divorced, I never met any of them, I think they live in Northern California.

    I am attaching a picture of his mother, she is the most beautiful woman.  David had a younger brother who also has distanced himself from our family, he is in the Pacific Northwest, I think, with his family.  David’s real father left when he was fairly young, and his mother found another man who was a soldier in WW2, and was very stable and loving. So any darkness that David inherited I would say came from his father, whoever he was.  I think we only have one photo of him.

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 11:01 pm on December 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I am fascinated by this. Have always wanted to know more about David Lind. Thank you so much for sharing.

    • criticextraordinaire 5:48 am on December 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John scores another exclusive. Oddly the part I find most fascinating is that this gal got Dawn to sign her book but has not gotten around to reading it.

      Would be nice to hear what David’s kids would have to say about his years both before and after 1981, as we don’t seem to know much about him. Maybe they would have David’s appearance with Morton Downey Jr. on a VCR tape.

    • localarts 9:21 am on December 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      A DVD version of Dave’s appearance on that show would make a great Christmas gift!!

      • John 9:41 am on December 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        From what has been said about that episode… Dave was about to permanently relocate that cigarette into Mort’s right nostril.

    • localarts 10:41 am on December 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’m sure Mort knew better than to blow cigarette smoke in Dave’s face as he had so many of his other guest. Would really to see this episode.

  • John 10:31 am on November 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: maggie coffman, , wonderland   

    Paul Kelly & Maggie Coffman – 1990 Article 

    Saturday morning, I hope to interview Chris Cox, club owner and peripheral player to the Wonderland saga.

    In the meantime, I have not posted this one before. The “red herring”, as Nils Grevillius called it. Right on. I’m no lawyer, but isn’t all this stuff from Maggie just hearsay? After what Billy’s son told me, Paul Kelly was the world’s biggest douche-bag. I wonder what happened to him.

    A few quotes from Billy’s son. We spoke 3 weeks ago:

    Like so many others in this story, “Paul Kelly came from money”. He “always had new threads and a nice car”. He and Billy were friends from “way back”. Paul dated Joy at one time, and that is how Billy met her. And…. Paul once took a dump after a party at the house on either Joy or her daughter’s birthday cake as a joke. Email the blog for more!

    RECORDED TESTIMONY IMPLICATES 3RD PARTY IN 1981 MURDERS

    April 17, 1990 | Section: NEWS | Edition: Valley | Associated Press

    A witness called by attorneys for two men charged in the murders of four people in Laurel Canyon told police in 1981 that another man gave her details of how the crime was committed, according to evidence introduced in court Monday.

    In a tape-recorded interview with police on July 3, 1981, the witness, Maggie Coffman, told police that Paul Kelly was in a “cheerful mood” as he described how the murders had taken place two days before.

    “He’s laughing about it, and he goes, ‘The only one we hated to see go was Billy (DeVerell),” Coffman said, referring to one of the victims in the July 1, 1981, killings.

    Coffman also told police that Kelly described where each of the victims had been killed in the Wonderland Avenue house, saying “We worked our way up. Ronnie (Launius) was one of the first to go.”

    She also quoted Kelly as saying, “I could tell you things that could curl your hair.”

    Coffman was called to the stand by attorneys for Eddie Nash and Gregory Diles, who hope to prove their clients are not guilty of the murders and lay blame on Kelly.

    Nash, whose real name is Adel Nasrallah, 61, and Diles, 41, are charged with the murders of Launius, 37; DeVerell, 42; Joy Audrey Miller, 46; and Barbara Richardson, 22, in what police claim was retaliation for a million- dollar robbery two days earlier at Nash’s Studio City home.

     
    • criticextraordinaire 3:19 pm on November 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Taking a dump on the birthday cake… That’s gangsta.

    • criticextraordinaire 5:50 pm on November 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      By the way John, can you ask some questions about the Lavender Hill Mob? I’ve not been able to find out much about them on the web. Keep getting hits on some movie from 1951. LOL.

      • John 7:32 am on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yeah sure. I also hate when I’m searching for something and it has a similar name to some unrelated crap.

    • localarts 6:16 pm on November 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think I have deja vu. I remember this story from way way back when. There was also an accompanying story about police (could be Lange & Souza) having to track Coffman down in Bakersfield. That’s where things start to get kinda crazy with the Launius, Kelly, Coffman thing. Kelly told Coffman he had to kill someone she loved ( Launius ). Paul Kelly was in prison at the time Nash stood trial and when Kelly was subpoenaed he took the 5th

      If Kelly had nothing to do with it, then why the hell would he put himself at the scene of the crime and then invoke the 5th?

      • John 7:48 am on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I know, he might have been blowing smoke. I searched my posts and the only thing I found about this topic was you telling me about it local arts. I’m just now slowly tracking down the articles. More soon, hopefully. I would love to see pics of these two star-crossed lovers.

        • Alex 11:12 pm on December 17, 2013 Permalink

          I saw the ending of the movie the other night on TV. It brought back memories. I knew Ron at the time of his death. It does not surprise me but the police did not do a through investigation at the time. Ron had a girl friend that has never been brought to light. She was suppose to be at the house that night but had to cancel. Ron and his wife were not on good terms nor was she at good terms with the other house members. I had heard the same thing as Coffman. I was told Susan was the one who let them in because she was mad at Ron. I was told at the time to keep my mouth shut so I did. The police never investigated Ron’s other girlfriend nor where he was prior to the break in at the Nash residence. Interesting huh? I had always wanted to say something but was warned not to get involved. As for Holmes I believe he just wanted the notoriety but wasn’t thinking how messed up that was going to be. Never heard his name mentioned before the murders.

        • Sheila 9:33 am on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          Since you knew Ron and you were told to keep quiet, was there ever a time that you were afraid that Nash would try to take out any one that had knowledge of ANY YHING about that house or about that night. I can’t imagine the fear and shock and disbelief of the community at that time. These people had no remote regard for human life and that was evident in the crime scene.

          Is is also true that Susan and Ron were police informants before going down South in CA?

        • Alex 5:50 pm on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          At the time I didn’t know anything about Nash. Didn’t know that Ron had committed the robbery. I only knew from my friend and someone else to keep my mouth shut. His girlfriend was very scared and I respected her request. Her house was broken into shortly after and she moved immediately, so I believe she knew more than she shared with me. When that happened I also did not want too much contact with her or her other close friends. I am sure if she reads this she will know who is writing this. She has never spoken of this since. I would read bits and pieces, sometimes she would tell me how the thing was unfolding. She at one point told me the Holmes thing was a joke, maybe he helped set up the Nash house, because he wanted a part in the money but he had nothing to do with letting the murders into the house.

          As for Susan, everyone feels sorry for her but she and Ron were not getting along and she was jealous of his new girlfriend. The fact that she was not killed like the others, lead others to believe she let the murders in, she was staying downstairs. I had never been to the house so I didn’t know the layout. Everyone knew she was going to have memory loss that way it kept her free and clear, she looked like a victim. All people feel sorry for her and she skated.

          Sheila, murder cases are never closed until they are solved.

        • Sheila 9:50 am on December 19, 2013 Permalink

          I think I read somewhere that Sharon Holmes had battled breast cancer and in 2006 or 2007 she moved in with Dawn and she took care of her. I am thinking Sharon died because the picture of her was not one of her looking very healthy.

      • John 10:54 am on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Here’s some more from another news summary, LA Times:

        The three trials exposed the seamy underside of Hollywood as few other courtroom dramas ever have. The accused included [John C. Holmes], [Gregory Diles], a 300-pound bouncer and bodyguard, who lost over 100 pounds in jail, and [Eddie Nash]. Nash, whose birth name is Adel Nasrallah, was an owner of striptease joints and Hollywood nightclubs. He spent more than two years in jail in the mid-1980s on narcotics charges.

        Two of the jurors said the defense case was so compelling that they would like to see [Paul Kelly] put on trial for the murders. Another said that while defense evidence against Kelly raised doubts about the guilt of Nash and Diles, it might not be sufficient to convict Kelly.

        Killed were William DeVerell, 44; his girlfriend, Joy Audrey Miller, 46, and Ronald Launius, 37, of Sacramento. All three had been involved in a robbery of Nash two days before in which large amounts of cash, jewels, narcotics and some guns were taken. The prosecution contended that the murders were ordered by Nash in retaliation for that robbery.

    • localarts 2:01 pm on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      So many moving parts to Wonderland & so many suspects coming in all directions. How did Paul Kelly know Ron Launius was one of the first ones to die, which I believe he was. Remember, Kelly told Coffman about the murders almost immediately after it happened.

      • John 2:32 pm on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Paul Kelly might have been one of the first people to walk thru the house that morning, like so many others apparently did. That’s how he knew the locations and how soon he knew about it. Also, if 4-5 killers were present, the victims were all beaten at the same time. 2 men to each room, while Diles or Holmes took care of Barbara. I bet they were out of there in 20 mins.

        • Sheila 3:03 pm on December 17, 2013 Permalink

          John I thought I remembered hearing that there were only 3 people who entered the house but maybe that was the Nash robbery. I couldn’t see how 3 people could kill 4 people without someone getting away and calling for help. Where do Kelly and Coffman fit into this? I have read so much I can’t keep it all straight.

        • John 8:08 am on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, there is a lot to digest. But, investigator Nils Grevillius stated that a witness at Nash’s (a woman) said that 5 men were dispatched to the house: Holmes, Diles, Diles brother Samuel, Joe McLean (aka Hovsep Mikaelian) and another Armenian mob guy named Bulrashian (or Bulragian).

        • Sheila 9:23 am on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          It is so sad that Susan was the only one that survived and due to her horrific brain injury was unable to identify anyone. It is my feeling that they may have thought that even is she did survive her injuries would be so substantial she would never be right again.
          I saw where a blogger asked where Lind was. According to Wikipedia he died of a drug overdose in 1995

        • Sheila 12:33 pm on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          I am guessing that after all the time that has passed since the murders, it is pretty much a closed case now and if they did suspect any one else they are probably dead by now. You live by the sword you die by the sword

    • localarts 5:03 pm on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Good observation. Thats probably the case.

    • Patrick Engeleiter 5:35 am on August 3, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Sheila or Alex please contact me about a docu I am working. 414-306-1667, call of message me.
      Thank you.

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